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I second this sentiment. If anything, I genuinely think that the way .NET's TechEmpower submissions look does more damage than good. BenchmarksGame offers a muc

I second this sentiment. If anything, I genuinely think that the way .NET's TechEmpower submissions look does more damage than good. BenchmarksGame offers a much better close-up comparison by having much simpler submissions that mostly consist of code that you could totally see yourself write in a regular setting. .NET is perfectly capable of standing on its own, and if there are specific areas that need improvement - this should serve as a push to further improve DB driver implementations and make ASP.NET Core more robust against various feature configurations. It is already much, much faster than Spring which is a good start, but it could be pushed further. I'd like to note that neither Go nor Java are viable for high-performance programming in a way that C# is. Neither gives you the required low-level access, performance oriented APIs, ability to use zero-cost abstractions and platform control you get to have in .NET. You can get far with both, but not C++/Rust-far the way you can with C#.

Ygg2 2y ago
> BenchmarksGame offers a much better close-up comparison by having much simpler submissions that mostly consist of code that you could totally see yourself write in a regular setting Yeah, except if you are working on Web servers the quality of the framework and its supporting libraries is much more important than what code could theoretically achieve. What is the point of being able to 200 mph when you only ever drive up to 30mph. > Neither gives you the required low-level access, performance oriented APIs, ability to use zero-cost abstractions. Java is working on high performance abstractions, see Vector API (Simd) and project Valhalla (custom primitive types). Sure C# has a theoretical leg up (for which it paid dearly by causing backwards incompatibility with reified generics) but most of the libraries don't use low-level access or SIMD optimizations or what not.

Ygg2 2y ago

> BenchmarksGame offers a much better close-up comparison by having much simpler submissions that mostly consist of code that you could totally see yourself write in a regular setting Yeah, except if you are working on Web servers the quality of the framework and its supporting libraries is much more important than what code could theoretically achieve. What is the point of being able to 200 mph when you only ever drive up to 30mph. > Neither gives you the required low-level access, performance oriented APIs, ability to use zero-cost abstractions. Java is working on high performance abstractions, see Vector API (Simd) and project Valhalla (custom primitive types). Sure C# has a theoretical leg up (for which it paid dearly by causing backwards incompatibility with reified generics) but most of the libraries don't use low-level access or SIMD optimizations or what not.