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but isn't a characteristic function just "the" way to bridge the gap between sets, functions, and logic(? ...a 3way bridge!?) I mean, it was useful for me to t

but isn't a characteristic function just "the" way to bridge the gap between sets, functions, and logic(? ...a 3way bridge!?) I mean, it was useful for me to think about like a translation between sets and logic (this variable x is in the set xor not) into functions (a function f(x) that returns 1 or true whenever x is in set S) how the heck is that a fourier transform!??

steppi 2y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristic_function_(probability_theory) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristic_function_(pro...
jamessb 2y ago
You're thinking of a "characteristic function" in the sense of "indicator function" of a subset (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicator_function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicator_function), which is different thing to the characteristic function of a probability density function.
KvanteKat 2y ago
You can think of it like this: - The characteristic function of a random variable X is defined as the function that maps t --> ExpectedValue[ exp( i * t * X ) ] - Computing this expected value is the same as regarding t as a constant and integrating the function x --> exp( i * t * x) with respect to the distribution of X, i.e. if X has the density f, we compute the integral of f(x) * exp( i * t * x) with respect to x over the domain of f. - on the other hand: computing the Fourier transform of f (here representing the density of X) and evaluating it at point t (i.e. computing (F(f))(t) if F represents the Fourier transform) is the same as fixing t and computing the integral of f(x) * exp( -i * t * x) with respect to x. - Rearranging the integrand in the previous expression to f(x) * exp( i * -t * x), we see that it is the same as the integrand used in the characteristic function, only with a -t instead of a t. Hope that helps :)
beagle3 2y ago
“Characterstic function” is (was) an overloaded term. What you described is more often referred to as an “indicator function” these days, with “characteristic functions” denoting the transform (Fourier, laplace, z - depending on context). Closely related to “moment generating functions” to the point of being almost interchangeable.
- ysofunny 2y ago
  so the same thing but, characterisic function as I knew them before these posts is a rudimentary 2-variable finite version. point and line (but the line is a curve, a circle because e). but the new and improved 21st century characteristic functions are n-variable and have a full continious spectrum of variables between zero (false) and one (true) but only potentially lest infinite realizes itself (which would make the theories illogical). this way of thinking about this makes sense to me, even if it's ever so slighly wrong by some nitpickable point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment-generating_function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment-generating_function

steppi 2y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristic_function_(probability_theory) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characteristic_function_(pro...

jamessb 2y ago

You're thinking of a "characteristic function" in the sense of "indicator function" of a subset (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicator_function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indicator_function), which is different thing to the characteristic function of a probability density function.

KvanteKat 2y ago

You can think of it like this: - The characteristic function of a random variable X is defined as the function that maps t --> ExpectedValue[ exp( i * t * X ) ] - Computing this expected value is the same as regarding t as a constant and integrating the function x --> exp( i * t * x) with respect to the distribution of X, i.e. if X has the density f, we compute the integral of f(x) * exp( i * t * x) with respect to x over the domain of f. - on the other hand: computing the Fourier transform of f (here representing the density of X) and evaluating it at point t (i.e. computing (F(f))(t) if F represents the Fourier transform) is the same as fixing t and computing the integral of f(x) * exp( -i * t * x) with respect to x. - Rearranging the integrand in the previous expression to f(x) * exp( i * -t * x), we see that it is the same as the integrand used in the characteristic function, only with a -t instead of a t. Hope that helps :)

beagle3 2y ago

“Characterstic function” is (was) an overloaded term. What you described is more often referred to as an “indicator function” these days, with “characteristic functions” denoting the transform (Fourier, laplace, z - depending on context). Closely related to “moment generating functions” to the point of being almost interchangeable.

ysofunny 2y ago
so the same thing but, characterisic function as I knew them before these posts is a rudimentary 2-variable finite version. point and line (but the line is a curve, a circle because e). but the new and improved 21st century characteristic functions are n-variable and have a full continious spectrum of variables between zero (false) and one (true) but only potentially lest infinite realizes itself (which would make the theories illogical). this way of thinking about this makes sense to me, even if it's ever so slighly wrong by some nitpickable point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment-generating_function https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment-generating_function