Interesting - I see your point, but in my experience the complexity most people reference in this context are things that are implicitly present in C++, like li

Interesting - I see your point, but in my experience the complexity most people reference in this context are things that are implicitly present in C++, like lifetimes. That being said they do definitely make it hard to do certain types of things (data structures with cyclic references, etc). But that’s not quite complexity, that’s more of a constraint on expressing complexity To me complexity comes from implicit lifetimes, operator overloading, turing-complete templates, unhygienic macros, lack of a blessed package manager/build system, many different types of implicit constructors/destructors used in different contexts, easy to hit language footguns, etc. IMO lifetimes (and downstream interactions with things like async) are the most complex bit of Rust. But for a fairly significant number of places in Rust projects you can avoid them. The same isn’t true for the complexities of C++ I listed above.