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Nearly every woman I know in the sciences or engineering has a large number of stories of aggressive and inappropriate sexual advances, and in many cases outrig
by _yb2s 2y ago
Nearly every woman I know in the sciences or engineering has a large number of stories of aggressive and inappropriate sexual advances, and in many cases outright sexual assault or rape in the workplace- typically from people in positions of power over them where they felt their careers were at risk simply from refusing the advances. Moreover, in most cases if they tried to report it or ask for help, even through official organization channels they were told there would be additional consequences if they didn’t keep quiet.
My workplace even had a sexual assault in the workplace training course where they coached us to stop co-workers from speaking if they started to disclose being victimized at work, I assume to avoid being legally responsible to respond appropriately.
- Jensson 2y ago> Nearly every woman I know in the sciences or engineering has a large number of stories of aggressive and inappropriate sexual advances, and in many cases outright sexual assault or rape in the workplace That happens about as much in any field as long as you mix genders, so that is no reason to not want a software job.
- _yb2s 2y agoI doubt that, as the less women in a field of work, the more likely an individual woman is to stand out and be targeted. Situations that put you frequently alone in closed offices with a single other person also contribute to the risk. Do you really think kindergarten teachers experience these things at work as often as software engineers?
- consteval 2y agoI disagree, men in computer science are uniquely awkward, unaware, and often rude. I say this as a man in software. It's hard to have a conversation about the weather that doesn't end with me being a bit frustrated. A lot of these guys really don't know how to speak to women, or how to speak in general in a welcoming, calm, non-offensive way. Maybe it's just the company I'm at but be aware this was also the case in college. It was hard to make friends when it seemed everyone was cosplaying an anime character while simultaneously bragging and trying to make me feel bad for my achievements, or lack thereof.
- jasonm23 2y ago> A lot of these guys really don't know how to speak to anyone.
- zahlman 2y agoIt's always struck me as absurd that the same group of people can be described like this and then simultaneously blamed for an epidemic of "aggressive and inappropriate sexual advances". (See also: https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/01/01/untitled/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/01/01/untitled/)
- consteval 2y agoThere are multiple reasons why. You'll notice that I mentioned they're typically rude and self-absorbed. To me, a man, I perceive that as such. But for a woman that could be seen as aggressive. Keep in mind also the media they might consume. I mentioned anime cosplaying in real life - and I mean it. Now, look at how anime depicts women. They're sexual objects for men's enjoyment and entertainment. But perhaps the biggest reason is men tend to get... overly confident in male-dominated spaces. This is something I've noticed since I was a child. All bets are off in locker rooms or at the poker table or in an online game. It's an opportunity to say the vilest things imaginable.
- shiroiushi 2y ago>But perhaps the biggest reason is men tend to get... overly confident in male-dominated spaces. ... It's an opportunity to say the vilest things imaginable. Yep, this is one big reason I hate being in all-male environments or workplaces. Men are usually much better behaved when there's some women around.