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You shouldn't spend that much. If you need an air conditioning system, making it a bidirectional heat pump is negligible unless people are trying to rip you off

You shouldn't spend that much. If you need an air conditioning system, making it a bidirectional heat pump is negligible unless people are trying to rip you off. (They are) Are you one of the grifters or just confused?

thehappypm 2y ago
Comparing a cold-climate AC to a cold climate heat pump shows how confused YOU are. ACs in cold climates are cheap. Cooling a house down 20 degrees doesnt take a lot of BTUs. Plus they’re just cheaper per-BTU and a typical northeast homeowner is going to be comfortable installing a cheap brand because it’s not life-or-death if your AC goes out. When you start talking about having a heat pump being the primary heat source in a cold climate home, that’s a different ball game. First you need WAY more BTUs to heat a house in winter lows — even NYC hits single-digits most winters, that’s a 60 degree temperature differential. And you need to be prepared for the worst temperatures which basically necessitates a top-end brand like Mitsubishi which is rated down to historic-ish lows. Not to mention that many homes don’t have central ducts, so converting to a heat pump means ductwork or mini splits.. All in all it’s not really a negligible thing.
- smolder 2y ago
  No, the difference in cost between central air conditioning (a heat pump that works in one direction) and a heat pump that works in both directions is negligable unless you're being ripped off.
  - thehappypm 2y ago
    Just saying something doesn’t make it true. Here’s a concrete example that took 5 minutes to find. Two condensers from the same company, same seller, same SEER, same series, same tonnage, except the second does heat. The heat pump is 29% more expensive. 2 Ton 14.3 SEER2 Trane Air Conditioner Condenser - RT Series. $1615 2 Ton 14.3 SEER2 Trane Heat Pump Condenser - RT Series. $2090 https://hvacdirect.com/trane-a4ac4024d1-2-ton-14-3-seer2-air-conditioner-condenser-runtru-by-trane-158002.html https://hvacdirect.com/trane-a4ac4024d1-2-ton-14-3-seer2-air... https://hvacdirect.com/trane-a4hp4024d1-2-ton-14-3-seer2-heat-pump-condenser-runtru-by-trane-157888.html https://hvacdirect.com/trane-a4hp4024d1-2-ton-14-3-seer2-hea...
    - smolder 2y ago
      That very quickly pays for itself.
      - thehappypm 2y ago
        Goalposts movin’ like crazy
        smolder 2y ago
        Goalposts haven't moved. Refer to my first post and stop spreading FUD about heat pumps.
        thehappypm 2y ago
        You’re spreading the FUD

thehappypm 2y ago

Comparing a cold-climate AC to a cold climate heat pump shows how confused YOU are. ACs in cold climates are cheap. Cooling a house down 20 degrees doesnt take a lot of BTUs. Plus they’re just cheaper per-BTU and a typical northeast homeowner is going to be comfortable installing a cheap brand because it’s not life-or-death if your AC goes out. When you start talking about having a heat pump being the primary heat source in a cold climate home, that’s a different ball game. First you need WAY more BTUs to heat a house in winter lows — even NYC hits single-digits most winters, that’s a 60 degree temperature differential. And you need to be prepared for the worst temperatures which basically necessitates a top-end brand like Mitsubishi which is rated down to historic-ish lows. Not to mention that many homes don’t have central ducts, so converting to a heat pump means ductwork or mini splits.. All in all it’s not really a negligible thing.

smolder 2y ago
No, the difference in cost between central air conditioning (a heat pump that works in one direction) and a heat pump that works in both directions is negligable unless you're being ripped off.
- thehappypm 2y ago
  Just saying something doesn’t make it true. Here’s a concrete example that took 5 minutes to find. Two condensers from the same company, same seller, same SEER, same series, same tonnage, except the second does heat. The heat pump is 29% more expensive. 2 Ton 14.3 SEER2 Trane Air Conditioner Condenser - RT Series. $1615 2 Ton 14.3 SEER2 Trane Heat Pump Condenser - RT Series. $2090 https://hvacdirect.com/trane-a4ac4024d1-2-ton-14-3-seer2-air-conditioner-condenser-runtru-by-trane-158002.html https://hvacdirect.com/trane-a4ac4024d1-2-ton-14-3-seer2-air... https://hvacdirect.com/trane-a4hp4024d1-2-ton-14-3-seer2-heat-pump-condenser-runtru-by-trane-157888.html https://hvacdirect.com/trane-a4hp4024d1-2-ton-14-3-seer2-hea...
  - smolder 2y ago
    That very quickly pays for itself.
    - thehappypm 2y ago
      Goalposts movin’ like crazy
      - smolder 2y ago
        Goalposts haven't moved. Refer to my first post and stop spreading FUD about heat pumps.
        thehappypm 2y ago
        You’re spreading the FUD