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> historically a large chunk of this problem was solved by communities hosting servers Yes and no. I lived through that era too, and there are serious scaling
by ethbr1 2y ago
> historically a large chunk of this problem was solved by communities hosting servers
Yes and no.
I lived through that era too, and there are serious scaling problems: at some point, trying to banhammer griefers with rotating IPs becomes a full time job, and then the public servers turn into a dumpster fire.
- sunshowers 2y agoYeah, having written that I was thinking about this as well. There's a lot of unpaid labor involved in that model. Maybe, between rootkits and that kind of exploitation of humans, rootkits are the less unjust option.
- ethbr1 2y agoI'd be curious how many anti-cheat rootkit vendors that there are out there, though. It seems like the sort of industry that consolidation to 3-4 larger, more well-funded vendors would be beneficial in terms of security. Versus everyone rolling their own or using smaller / cheaper solutions.
- consteval 2y agoSolution: submit them for an account ban. The games that have the most cheating either: 1. don't do account bans 2. don't limit account creation You can trivially limit account creation by just charging money for the games.
- sunshowers 2y agoI think free to play is where the market has ended up. I get it, though, I kind of stopped playing competitive games after it became all about the F2P grind. Even cosmetics-only F2P hits a part of my brain that I try keeping in check. I just play single-player and cooperative games now.
- ethbr1 2y agoWhen one enters the career and/or family stage of life, it doesn't make sense to compete against people who have the time commitments of neither. ;)
- ethbr1 2y agoAccount bans + community servers don't work either, as the chain of custody for evidence is tainted. I say consteval was caught cheating on the server I run, and that account should be banned. Am I, my server's admin, lying?
- consteval 2y agoProbably you need some kind of "court" system. Or maybe if enough dedicated servers say you're cheating, they just ban you. Yes this is more effort but from the company's perspective they outsource most of the effort to free labor. It can probably be abused if enough admins from different servers band together though.
- sunshowers 2y agoFrom a labor exploitation point of view it's really hard to argue that that model is better than kernel-level anticheat.
- consteval 2y agoExploitation is a strong word. A lot of admins like running servers, and some even make money via ads. This is the case in TF2.