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> Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store I am totally ok with this. I have personally seen apple reject an app upd

> Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store I am totally ok with this. I have personally seen apple reject an app update and delist the app because a tiny library used within it had a recent security concerns. Forced the company to fix it.

1596025359 2y ago
What about all those libs and executables you likely install via brew, npm, cargo etc? Those are all applications
- spacedcowboy 2y ago
  And, despite being an avid homebrew user, I've never had a problem there.
  - ddingus 2y ago
    All of us having this discussion are outliers. The things we talk about here which annoy us are for the much larger set of people who need them! Put another way, it is all about the set of us who cannot really participate in this discussion.
- sealeck 2y ago
  Sure – Apple are trying to stop people who don't know what they're doing from getting hurt. Hence the strong scrutiny on what is allowed on the App Store (whether it's reasonable to charge 30% of revenue is an entirely different question). People who are installing things using a terminal are probably (a) slightly computer savvy and (b) therefore aware that this might not be a totally safe operation.
eviks 2y ago
No one is stopping you from using only the app store if you value its protection, so you need a more relevant justification to ok forcing everyone else to do so
- kcplate 2y ago
  If I had 1.4B active users I would want to mitigate the ability of almost all of them to accidentally fuck up their devices instead of worrying about irritating a few tech folk because they can’t load broken apps on it.
  - eviks 2y ago
    Your stat is an order of magnitude type of fantasy, the apps aren't broken, and the inability to install also affects everyone, not a few folks, so again you're left with nothing but your personal desire for controlling other people
    - kcplate 2y ago
      > Your personal desire for controlling other people. Well that’s just childish, pouty, and not a very well thought out train of thought on the subject. The control isn’t over people, it’s about finding a solution to creating and preserving market share via device reliability on the platform. There are 1.4B iPhone users (and that’s a real number, not a fantasy), and not every one of those people is savvy enough to vet their applications before installation. If installation of any app was wide open you would have a large portion of those 1.4B accidentally installing crap. They may have 100 apps on their phone but if 1 is a piece of shit and broken (and yes conservatively at least 1% of apps out there probably have a bug bad enough to wreck some havoc) and it renders the reliability of the phone to shit that’s bad. If the market perceives that the reliability of the device is shit, Apple loses either in increasing or preserving market share for the device. Apple needs those devices need to work reliably and it feels that one way to do that is vetting the apps that will be running on it. The hardware is great, the OS does its job making the hardware platform operational, but the one place where there is the opportunity to introduce instability is in the apps. So you do your best to control that area of instability opportunity on your platform. Here is the beautiful thing for you…there plenty of other phones out there that will allow you to install whatever the hell you want. Apple only has 16% of the worldwide smartphone market share. https://backlinko.com/iphone-users#iphone-key-stats https://backlinko.com/iphone-users#iphone-key-stats

1596025359 2y ago

What about all those libs and executables you likely install via brew, npm, cargo etc? Those are all applications

spacedcowboy 2y ago
And, despite being an avid homebrew user, I've never had a problem there.
- ddingus 2y ago
  All of us having this discussion are outliers. The things we talk about here which annoy us are for the much larger set of people who need them! Put another way, it is all about the set of us who cannot really participate in this discussion.
sealeck 2y ago
Sure – Apple are trying to stop people who don't know what they're doing from getting hurt. Hence the strong scrutiny on what is allowed on the App Store (whether it's reasonable to charge 30% of revenue is an entirely different question). People who are installing things using a terminal are probably (a) slightly computer savvy and (b) therefore aware that this might not be a totally safe operation.

eviks 2y ago

No one is stopping you from using only the app store if you value its protection, so you need a more relevant justification to ok forcing everyone else to do so

kcplate 2y ago
If I had 1.4B active users I would want to mitigate the ability of almost all of them to accidentally fuck up their devices instead of worrying about irritating a few tech folk because they can’t load broken apps on it.
- eviks 2y ago
  Your stat is an order of magnitude type of fantasy, the apps aren't broken, and the inability to install also affects everyone, not a few folks, so again you're left with nothing but your personal desire for controlling other people
  - kcplate 2y ago
    > Your personal desire for controlling other people. Well that’s just childish, pouty, and not a very well thought out train of thought on the subject. The control isn’t over people, it’s about finding a solution to creating and preserving market share via device reliability on the platform. There are 1.4B iPhone users (and that’s a real number, not a fantasy), and not every one of those people is savvy enough to vet their applications before installation. If installation of any app was wide open you would have a large portion of those 1.4B accidentally installing crap. They may have 100 apps on their phone but if 1 is a piece of shit and broken (and yes conservatively at least 1% of apps out there probably have a bug bad enough to wreck some havoc) and it renders the reliability of the phone to shit that’s bad. If the market perceives that the reliability of the device is shit, Apple loses either in increasing or preserving market share for the device. Apple needs those devices need to work reliably and it feels that one way to do that is vetting the apps that will be running on it. The hardware is great, the OS does its job making the hardware platform operational, but the one place where there is the opportunity to introduce instability is in the apps. So you do your best to control that area of instability opportunity on your platform. Here is the beautiful thing for you…there plenty of other phones out there that will allow you to install whatever the hell you want. Apple only has 16% of the worldwide smartphone market share. https://backlinko.com/iphone-users#iphone-key-stats https://backlinko.com/iphone-users#iphone-key-stats