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For the ordinary user, the N9 doesn't have any of the niceties that you see on iPhone or Android. It was going to remain that way; there was no way Nokia would

by jeswin 14y ago

For the ordinary user, the N9 doesn't have any of the niceties that you see on iPhone or Android. It was going to remain that way; there was no way Nokia would have convinced people to write software for it. Also, the tooling around Maemo/Meego+ and Symbian doesn't compare to what iOS, Android or even what Windows Phone has. I have owned half a dozen Nokia devices, and really I want them to succeed. They really didn't have a choice.

dman 14y ago
The qt dev stack is imo at least as nice as the ios dev stack.
- jeswin 14y ago
  Where I can see something as basic as UI design guidelines? Such as: http://developer.android.com/design/index.html http://developer.android.com/design/index.html IMHO, apps on Nokia phones have been primitive in comparison.
  - ernesth 14y ago
    Maybe there: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Resources/Library/Symbian_Design_Guidelines/index.html http://www.developer.nokia.com/Resources/Library/Symbian_Des...?
  - dman 14y ago
    Nokia's attempt at HIG guidelines for mobile devices is at http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-interfaceguide.html http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-componen.... Apps on nokia phones and on other platforms have been primitive because there isnt a widespread use of app stores on those platforms. Without a money trail, the company pushing the platform can only do so much. Even on android and ios its not the app guidelines or the dev stack thats made the applications stand out - its the third party developers working hard for the money made available by the app store.
  - spiralpolitik 14y ago
    Nokia N9 UX Guidelines: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/ http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/
blub 14y ago
I have to partly disagree with you about N9. True, it's unfinished and the recent update for PR 1.3 is probably its last. The development environment is not as mature as iOS, since the Qt SDK didn't have as many years of use. On the other hand Qt and QML are in a completely different league compared to the primitive way of building UIs in Android or iOS. Nokia hit the jackpot with declarative UIs, and then completely failed to build and support a product around them. e.g: Think about iOS - you either code your UI in Objective-C or use a designer. Borland was doing this with its C++ Builder and Delphi lines in 1996. On Android you had to edit XML files by hand for the longest time. WP tooling is the most modern of the three you've mentioned. C# is much nicer that the aged Obj-C and XAML is also a declarative language, but the XML format is bloated and completely uneditable outside of specialized design tools.
- daliusd 14y ago
  I completely agree here about QML. While Visual Studio allows to make drag-and-drop development what is very nice for beginners but you should support your apps as well and QML wins here.

by jeswin 14y ago

dman 14y ago

The qt dev stack is imo at least as nice as the ios dev stack.

jeswin 14y ago
Where I can see something as basic as UI design guidelines? Such as: http://developer.android.com/design/index.html http://developer.android.com/design/index.html IMHO, apps on Nokia phones have been primitive in comparison.
- ernesth 14y ago
  Maybe there: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Resources/Library/Symbian_Design_Guidelines/index.html http://www.developer.nokia.com/Resources/Library/Symbian_Des...?
- dman 14y ago
  Nokia's attempt at HIG guidelines for mobile devices is at http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-interfaceguide.html http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-componen.... Apps on nokia phones and on other platforms have been primitive because there isnt a widespread use of app stores on those platforms. Without a money trail, the company pushing the platform can only do so much. Even on android and ios its not the app guidelines or the dev stack thats made the applications stand out - its the third party developers working hard for the money made available by the app store.
- spiralpolitik 14y ago
  Nokia N9 UX Guidelines: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/ http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/

blub 14y ago

I have to partly disagree with you about N9. True, it's unfinished and the recent update for PR 1.3 is probably its last. The development environment is not as mature as iOS, since the Qt SDK didn't have as many years of use. On the other hand Qt and QML are in a completely different league compared to the primitive way of building UIs in Android or iOS. Nokia hit the jackpot with declarative UIs, and then completely failed to build and support a product around them. e.g: Think about iOS - you either code your UI in Objective-C or use a designer. Borland was doing this with its C++ Builder and Delphi lines in 1996. On Android you had to edit XML files by hand for the longest time. WP tooling is the most modern of the three you've mentioned. C# is much nicer that the aged Obj-C and XAML is also a declarative language, but the XML format is bloated and completely uneditable outside of specialized design tools.

daliusd 14y ago
I completely agree here about QML. While Visual Studio allows to make drag-and-drop development what is very nice for beginners but you should support your apps as well and QML wins here.