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> While I don't agree with any of that, at all, we don't even reach the question, because the point of my comment is that he calls himself that. Apparently he

> While I don't agree with any of that, at all, we don't even reach the question, because the point of my comment is that he calls himself that. Apparently he does not. You haven't produced a quote to show that he does. > I'm not interested in debating phrenology Correlations between ancestry and IQ have nothing to do with phrenology. If they exist, they are not racist. Facts just are what they are.

tptacek 2y ago
For whatever it's worth, that was literally what David Duke said. I'm not saying you're David Duke, just that the rhetoric you're deploying isn't persuasive.
jibal 2y ago
> Apparently he does not. You haven't produced a quote to show that he does. That's not how it works.
- cubefox 2y ago
  You accuse someone of saying X, but can't provide evidence they ever said X, then there is no reason to believe you. The burden of proof is on your side.
  - jibal 2y ago
    "Apparently he does not" is a positive claim ... it does not follow even if you were right about not providing evidence--but you're not. And they can and did provide evidence, you simply ignored it. There are plenty reasons for honest people to believe it. Meanwhile, it's an empirical fact that Lynn is a racist, as well as most "race scientists" and their defenders. I won't comment on this further.
    - cubefox 2y ago
      > And they can and did provide evidence, you simply ignored it. That's simply a lie. They didn't. Nowhere on that website was Lynn quoted as describing himself as a "scientific racist". > Meanwhile, it's an empirical fact that Lynn is a racist What would be the evidence for this claim? There could in any case be an association between IQ and East Asian ancestry. Whether there is, is an empirical question, and an empirical hypothesis can't be racist, it is just true or false, or supported/unsupported by the evidence. In the source I provided, Lynn references statistical evidence that supports it.
jibal 2y ago
And it's a fact that Lynn is a self-proclaimed "scientific racist", and that most "race scientists" are racist.

tptacek 2y ago

For whatever it's worth, that was literally what David Duke said. I'm not saying you're David Duke, just that the rhetoric you're deploying isn't persuasive.

jibal 2y ago

> Apparently he does not. You haven't produced a quote to show that he does. That's not how it works.

cubefox 2y ago
You accuse someone of saying X, but can't provide evidence they ever said X, then there is no reason to believe you. The burden of proof is on your side.
- jibal 2y ago
  "Apparently he does not" is a positive claim ... it does not follow even if you were right about not providing evidence--but you're not. And they can and did provide evidence, you simply ignored it. There are plenty reasons for honest people to believe it. Meanwhile, it's an empirical fact that Lynn is a racist, as well as most "race scientists" and their defenders. I won't comment on this further.
  - cubefox 2y ago
    > And they can and did provide evidence, you simply ignored it. That's simply a lie. They didn't. Nowhere on that website was Lynn quoted as describing himself as a "scientific racist". > Meanwhile, it's an empirical fact that Lynn is a racist What would be the evidence for this claim? There could in any case be an association between IQ and East Asian ancestry. Whether there is, is an empirical question, and an empirical hypothesis can't be racist, it is just true or false, or supported/unsupported by the evidence. In the source I provided, Lynn references statistical evidence that supports it.

jibal 2y ago

And it's a fact that Lynn is a self-proclaimed "scientific racist", and that most "race scientists" are racist.