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At what point are people going to stop shitting on the code that Copilot or other LLM tools generate? > how trivial the problems they solve are A single line

At what point are people going to stop shitting on the code that Copilot or other LLM tools generate? > how trivial the problems they solve are A single line of code IS trivial. Simple code is good code. If I write the first 3 lines of a complex method and I let Copilot complete the 4th, that's 25% of my code written by an LLM. These tools have exploded in popularity for good reason. If they were no good, people wouldn't be using them. I can only assume people making such comments don't actually code on a daily basis and use these tools daily. Either that or you haven't figured out the knack of how to make it work properly for you.

ghosty141 2y ago
I havent seen anybody use them and be more productive. With c++ my experience is that the results are completely worthless. It saves you from writing a few keywords but nothing that really helps in a big way. Yes Copilot CAN work, for example writing some JS or filter functions, but in my job these trivial snippets are rather uncommon. I‘d genuinely love to see some resources that show its usefulness that arent just PR bs.
- bluerooibos 2y ago
  > I havent seen anybody use them and be more productive. What does that even mean? What are you expecting to see? I've seen people who can't code ship entire new applications which actually work, in a few days or so. That to me seems more productive? I use these tools daily in a FAANG level SWE role and they help me debug issues quickly - all the time, especially with tech I'm new to and have no experience with. I really don't understand the hate - it's like skipping stack overflow and giving you the ideal answer a lot faster. Nobody likes to shout that they're using these tools but most people are.
thegrim33 2y ago
These tools have exploded in popularity for good reason. If they were no good, people wouldn't be using them. You're saying anything that's ever been popular is popular for a good reason? You can't think of counter examples that disprove this? You're saying anything that people decide to do is good, or else people wouldn't do it? People never act irrationally? People never blindly act on trends? People never sacrifice long-term results for short-term gain? You can't come up with any counter examples?
- nijave 2y ago
  remembers Bitcoin et al
- bluerooibos 2y ago
  I don't really care to get into a philosophical debate about what's good or what people should use. I use these tools daily and they help me immensely. If you prefer Googling for docs, browsing stack overflow, or even flicking through textbooks to find the answers/materials you need - that's great! Do what works for you. I value my time slightly more than that and prefer not to remain stuck in the past. Perhaps you hold all the information you need in your head like an oracle and never need to learn new concepts or ever forget syntax? Wonderful. The rest of us aren't so naturally talented, so have found these new tools super helpful.

ghosty141 2y ago

I havent seen anybody use them and be more productive. With c++ my experience is that the results are completely worthless. It saves you from writing a few keywords but nothing that really helps in a big way. Yes Copilot CAN work, for example writing some JS or filter functions, but in my job these trivial snippets are rather uncommon. I‘d genuinely love to see some resources that show its usefulness that arent just PR bs.

bluerooibos 2y ago
> I havent seen anybody use them and be more productive. What does that even mean? What are you expecting to see? I've seen people who can't code ship entire new applications which actually work, in a few days or so. That to me seems more productive? I use these tools daily in a FAANG level SWE role and they help me debug issues quickly - all the time, especially with tech I'm new to and have no experience with. I really don't understand the hate - it's like skipping stack overflow and giving you the ideal answer a lot faster. Nobody likes to shout that they're using these tools but most people are.

thegrim33 2y ago

These tools have exploded in popularity for good reason. If they were no good, people wouldn't be using them. You're saying anything that's ever been popular is popular for a good reason? You can't think of counter examples that disprove this? You're saying anything that people decide to do is good, or else people wouldn't do it? People never act irrationally? People never blindly act on trends? People never sacrifice long-term results for short-term gain? You can't come up with any counter examples?

nijave 2y ago
remembers Bitcoin et al
bluerooibos 2y ago
I don't really care to get into a philosophical debate about what's good or what people should use. I use these tools daily and they help me immensely. If you prefer Googling for docs, browsing stack overflow, or even flicking through textbooks to find the answers/materials you need - that's great! Do what works for you. I value my time slightly more than that and prefer not to remain stuck in the past. Perhaps you hold all the information you need in your head like an oracle and never need to learn new concepts or ever forget syntax? Wonderful. The rest of us aren't so naturally talented, so have found these new tools super helpful.