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FBI and Apple „can't”, but 3rd party do and they do it cheaper every day.

lukev 2y ago
They do not. Edit: I have not posted a source for this claim, because what sort of source would be acceptable for a claim of the form "X has not occurred"? If you are going to claim Apple's security model has been compromised, you need not only evidence of such a compromise but also an explanation for why such an "obvious" and "cheap" vulnerability has not been disclosed by any number of white or grey-hat hackers.
- dankwizard 2y ago
  Yes they do.
  - lukev 2y ago
    If you're going to claim that random hacking groups routinely do something the FBI and NSA claim to be unable to do... citation needed.
    - makeitdouble 2y ago
      An issue with taking their claim at face value is they have no incentive to say they can: - they can keep asking for backdoors to "stop terrorists" - they're not on the hook if for whatever reason they can't access a particular phone in a very mediatized case - most targets (the not so sophisticated ones at least) keep using a device the agencies have proper access to Regardless of their actual technical means, I don't expect we ever get a "we sure can!" kind of public boasting any time soon.
    - dankwizard 2y ago
      Ok [1] "Since then, technologies like Grayshift’s GrayKey—a device capable of breaking into modern iPhones—have become staples in forensic investigations across federal, state, and local levels." "In other cases where the FBI demanded access to data stored in a locked phone, like the San Bernardino and Pensacola shootings, the FBI unlocked devices without Apple’s help, often by purchasing hacking tools from foreign entities like Cellebrite." 1 - https://www.firstpost.com/tech/the-fbi-was-able-to-hack-into-trump-shooters-phone-using-a-tiny-hacking-device-heres-how-13793428.html https://www.firstpost.com/tech/the-fbi-was-able-to-hack-into...
- spiderice 2y ago
  Jesus, just post a source.
  - coldtea 2y ago
    the burden on proof is not on him to prove a negative
bigfudge 2y ago
Is there evidence of this. I’d be interested to know more.
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They do not. Edit: I have not posted a source for this claim, because what sort of source would be acceptable for a claim of the form "X has not occurred"? If you are going to claim Apple's security model has been compromised, you need not only evidence of such a compromise but also an explanation for why such an "obvious" and "cheap" vulnerability has not been disclosed by any number of white or grey-hat hackers.

dankwizard 2y ago
Yes they do.
- lukev 2y ago
  If you're going to claim that random hacking groups routinely do something the FBI and NSA claim to be unable to do... citation needed.
  - makeitdouble 2y ago
    An issue with taking their claim at face value is they have no incentive to say they can: - they can keep asking for backdoors to "stop terrorists" - they're not on the hook if for whatever reason they can't access a particular phone in a very mediatized case - most targets (the not so sophisticated ones at least) keep using a device the agencies have proper access to Regardless of their actual technical means, I don't expect we ever get a "we sure can!" kind of public boasting any time soon.
  - dankwizard 2y ago
    Ok [1] "Since then, technologies like Grayshift’s GrayKey—a device capable of breaking into modern iPhones—have become staples in forensic investigations across federal, state, and local levels." "In other cases where the FBI demanded access to data stored in a locked phone, like the San Bernardino and Pensacola shootings, the FBI unlocked devices without Apple’s help, often by purchasing hacking tools from foreign entities like Cellebrite." 1 - https://www.firstpost.com/tech/the-fbi-was-able-to-hack-into-trump-shooters-phone-using-a-tiny-hacking-device-heres-how-13793428.html https://www.firstpost.com/tech/the-fbi-was-able-to-hack-into...
spiderice 2y ago
Jesus, just post a source.
- coldtea 2y ago
  the burden on proof is not on him to prove a negative

bigfudge 2y ago

Is there evidence of this. I’d be interested to know more.

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