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I mean, the security features are pretty well documented. The FBI can't crack a modern iPhone even with Apple's help. A lot of the lockdowns are in service of t
by lukev 2y ago
I mean, the security features are pretty well documented. The FBI can't crack a modern iPhone even with Apple's help. A lot of the lockdowns are in service of that.
I'm curious: what hardware and software stack do you use?
- misiek08 2y agoFBI and Apple „can't”, but 3rd party do and they do it cheaper every day.
- lukev 2y agoThey do not. Edit: I have not posted a source for this claim, because what sort of source would be acceptable for a claim of the form "X has not occurred"? If you are going to claim Apple's security model has been compromised, you need not only evidence of such a compromise but also an explanation for why such an "obvious" and "cheap" vulnerability has not been disclosed by any number of white or grey-hat hackers.
- dankwizard 2y agoYes they do.
- lukev 2y agoIf you're going to claim that random hacking groups routinely do something the FBI and NSA claim to be unable to do... citation needed.
- makeitdouble 2y agoAn issue with taking their claim at face value is they have no incentive to say they can: - they can keep asking for backdoors to "stop terrorists" - they're not on the hook if for whatever reason they can't access a particular phone in a very mediatized case - most targets (the not so sophisticated ones at least) keep using a device the agencies have proper access to Regardless of their actual technical means, I don't expect we ever get a "we sure can!" kind of public boasting any time soon.
- dankwizard 2y agoOk [1] "Since then, technologies like Grayshift’s GrayKey—a device capable of breaking into modern iPhones—have become staples in forensic investigations across federal, state, and local levels." "In other cases where the FBI demanded access to data stored in a locked phone, like the San Bernardino and Pensacola shootings, the FBI unlocked devices without Apple’s help, often by purchasing hacking tools from foreign entities like Cellebrite." 1 - https://www.firstpost.com/tech/the-fbi-was-able-to-hack-into-trump-shooters-phone-using-a-tiny-hacking-device-heres-how-13793428.html https://www.firstpost.com/tech/the-fbi-was-able-to-hack-into...
- spiderice 2y agoJesus, just post a source.
- coldtea 2y agothe burden on proof is not on him to prove a negative
- bigfudge 2y agoIs there evidence of this. I’d be interested to know more.
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- switch007 2y agoCellebrite Premium 7.69.5 iOS Support Matrix from July 2024. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/14344-cellebrite-premium-july-2024-documentation https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/14344-cellebrite-premium-ju...
- fingerlocks 2y agoDoesn't AFU here mean the phone had to be already unlocked? Which is most of the entries?
- saagarjha 2y agoAFU means the phone was unlocked and then relocked.
- fingerlocks 2y agoRight, so not the use case involving the police up thread.
- saagarjha 2y agoPolice do often want to get into phones in that state. This is why Cellebrite sells that product.