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analytics and data processing by the military is by definition the death business

viraptor 2y ago
And food supplies and healthcare and energy and transportation and housing and... At the US army scale, what isn't death business? There's almost every profession with some connection. As long as OpenAI sells what they normally sell to everyone anyway, I don't see a problem. The document doesn't even mention any special deals.
rpdillon 2y ago
It really isn't, in my experience. What makes you think "everything military = death business"? The military tends to be mostly logistics, and ends up funneling resources to tons of efforts that benefit the nation as a whole. One such investment is CCDC SC, which was the subject of a 99 PI podcast, IIRC. They've worked for decades to research and operationalize shelf-stable foods, for example. These approaches have made it into civilian foods for the same reasons they are used in the military: convenience, especially under dire circumstances. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Capabilities_Development_Command_Soldier_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Capabilities_Developmen...
- nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
  >>What makes you think "everything military = death business"? mil·i·tar·y /ˈmiləˌterē/ adjective relating to or characteristic of soldiers or armed forces. Hope this helps.
  - hughesjj 2y ago
    Because the army doesn't build levees on the missippi and gps & Internet are strictly used to murder people Just like the Roman legions only built roads for murder conveyors and weren't ever used by normal citizens Facial recognition with a proven bias against certain minorities being used for ICE? Yeah, I got a big problem with that. Some private or low level staffer looking for some boilerplate language or editing feedback on a PowerPoint presentation? Using chatgpt as a better Google translate instead of getting more locals and their families into a precarious situation? Not a problem imo.
    - serf 2y ago
      >Some private or low level staffer looking for some boilerplate language or editing feedback on a PowerPoint presentation? Using chatgpt as a better Google translate instead of getting more locals and their families into a precarious situation? Not a problem imo. that's beyond the point. parent objects to the war machine -- even those 'low level staffers and privates' are contributing meaningfully to the machine in which they operate themselves. if the end result of a mundane process is that a bomb gets dropped and lots of people die, it doesn't really much matter to most people how minor the role is; like it or not even the guy getting the coffee for the general is a part of that process which ends in an action that parent objects to. people oft forget this fact, which leads into a slippery path of 'condoning via non-action' because "well it's just coffee!", until it all adds up into a 'war crime' or 'tactical victory'.
      - relativ575 2y ago
        War is terrible. Nobody likes war. Yet war is also the norm for as long as human being exists. Saying military is the war machine is a cheap emotional appeal. Military also fight to protect civilians when war break out. Military is the deterrence force that prevent wars. Military plays a key role in rescue and recovery when natural disasters hit. Most military forces have more peace time than war time duties.
  - TeaBrain 2y ago
    It helps to understand your misconception. Less than a fourth of the US armed forces are in or will ever get put into a combat role.
- croes 2y ago
  Drug dealing is also mostly logistics, so they are not in the crime business?
  - rpdillon 2y ago
    You're conflating goals and means. Drug dealing is inherently criminal (because of how laws are written), but the military isn't inherently killing. Much of what the military spends time on is figuring out how not to fight.
    - nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
      Amateurs speak of tactics, professionals speak of logistics. That DoD research has civilian applications makes it no less intended for enforcing violent hegemony and killing people. Imagine if half of that went toward genuine civilian research, rather than research with a primary military application that may be be applicable to civilian domains.

And food supplies and healthcare and energy and transportation and housing and... At the US army scale, what isn't death business? There's almost every profession with some connection. As long as OpenAI sells what they normally sell to everyone anyway, I don't see a problem. The document doesn't even mention any special deals.

rpdillon 2y ago

It really isn't, in my experience. What makes you think "everything military = death business"? The military tends to be mostly logistics, and ends up funneling resources to tons of efforts that benefit the nation as a whole. One such investment is CCDC SC, which was the subject of a 99 PI podcast, IIRC. They've worked for decades to research and operationalize shelf-stable foods, for example. These approaches have made it into civilian foods for the same reasons they are used in the military: convenience, especially under dire circumstances. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Capabilities_Development_Command_Soldier_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Capabilities_Developmen...

nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
>>What makes you think "everything military = death business"? mil·i·tar·y /ˈmiləˌterē/ adjective relating to or characteristic of soldiers or armed forces. Hope this helps.
- hughesjj 2y ago
  Because the army doesn't build levees on the missippi and gps & Internet are strictly used to murder people Just like the Roman legions only built roads for murder conveyors and weren't ever used by normal citizens Facial recognition with a proven bias against certain minorities being used for ICE? Yeah, I got a big problem with that. Some private or low level staffer looking for some boilerplate language or editing feedback on a PowerPoint presentation? Using chatgpt as a better Google translate instead of getting more locals and their families into a precarious situation? Not a problem imo.
  - serf 2y ago
    >Some private or low level staffer looking for some boilerplate language or editing feedback on a PowerPoint presentation? Using chatgpt as a better Google translate instead of getting more locals and their families into a precarious situation? Not a problem imo. that's beyond the point. parent objects to the war machine -- even those 'low level staffers and privates' are contributing meaningfully to the machine in which they operate themselves. if the end result of a mundane process is that a bomb gets dropped and lots of people die, it doesn't really much matter to most people how minor the role is; like it or not even the guy getting the coffee for the general is a part of that process which ends in an action that parent objects to. people oft forget this fact, which leads into a slippery path of 'condoning via non-action' because "well it's just coffee!", until it all adds up into a 'war crime' or 'tactical victory'.
    - relativ575 2y ago
      War is terrible. Nobody likes war. Yet war is also the norm for as long as human being exists. Saying military is the war machine is a cheap emotional appeal. Military also fight to protect civilians when war break out. Military is the deterrence force that prevent wars. Military plays a key role in rescue and recovery when natural disasters hit. Most military forces have more peace time than war time duties.
- TeaBrain 2y ago
  It helps to understand your misconception. Less than a fourth of the US armed forces are in or will ever get put into a combat role.
croes 2y ago
Drug dealing is also mostly logistics, so they are not in the crime business?
- rpdillon 2y ago
  You're conflating goals and means. Drug dealing is inherently criminal (because of how laws are written), but the military isn't inherently killing. Much of what the military spends time on is figuring out how not to fight.
  - nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
    Amateurs speak of tactics, professionals speak of logistics. That DoD research has civilian applications makes it no less intended for enforcing violent hegemony and killing people. Imagine if half of that went toward genuine civilian research, rather than research with a primary military application that may be be applicable to civilian domains.