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Idk why this is downvoted...

viraptor 2y ago
Because it assumes OpenAI being used for anything remotely interesting rather than writing report summaries. This may have a fun media summary, but until unless significantly tweaked, it's still just an expensive multimodal model. It's not going to be used outside of offices.
- nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
  Have you never heard of the banality of evil? The nazis used IBM punch cards. IBM was in the death business, even if they weren't making bombs or nerve gas.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    Sure. Once OpenAI starts making something actually targetted towards the army at their request, that's a different thing. But as far as I understand, so far the army just bought a volume licence to a public service. The actual line is: > Advanced AI/ML Capabilities: Utilization of Microsoft's native AI services, including Azure AI Search, OpenAI tools, and Azure Synapse for unified analytics and big data processing.
    - nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
      analytics and data processing by the military is by definition the death business
      - viraptor 2y ago
        And food supplies and healthcare and energy and transportation and housing and... At the US army scale, what isn't death business? There's almost every profession with some connection. As long as OpenAI sells what they normally sell to everyone anyway, I don't see a problem. The document doesn't even mention any special deals.
      - rpdillon 2y ago
        It really isn't, in my experience. What makes you think "everything military = death business"? The military tends to be mostly logistics, and ends up funneling resources to tons of efforts that benefit the nation as a whole. One such investment is CCDC SC, which was the subject of a 99 PI podcast, IIRC. They've worked for decades to research and operationalize shelf-stable foods, for example. These approaches have made it into civilian foods for the same reasons they are used in the military: convenience, especially under dire circumstances. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Capabilities_Development_Command_Soldier_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Capabilities_Developmen...
        nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
        >>What makes you think "everything military = death business"? mil·i·tar·y /ˈmiləˌterē/ adjective relating to or characteristic of soldiers or armed forces. Hope this helps.
        hughesjj 2y ago
        Because the army doesn't build levees on the missippi and gps & Internet are strictly used to murder people Just like the Roman legions only built roads for murder conveyors and weren't ever used by normal citizens Facial recognition with a proven bias against certain minorities being used for ICE? Yeah, I got a big problem with that. Some private or low level staffer looking for some boilerplate language or editing feedback on a PowerPoint presentation? Using chatgpt as a better Google translate instead of getting more locals and their families into a precarious situation? Not a problem imo.
        serf 2y ago
        >Some private or low level staffer looking for some boilerplate language or editing feedback on a PowerPoint presentation? Using chatgpt as a better Google translate instead of getting more locals and their families into a precarious situation? Not a problem imo. that's beyond the point. parent objects to the war machine -- even those 'low level staffers and privates' are contributing meaningfully to the machine in which they operate themselves. if the end result of a mundane process is that a bomb gets dropped and lots of people die, it doesn't really much matter to most people how minor the role is; like it or not even the guy getting the coffee for the general is a part of that process which ends in an action that parent objects to. people oft forget this fact, which leads into a slippery path of 'condoning via non-action' because "well it's just coffee!", until it all adds up into a 'war crime' or 'tactical victory'.
- justinclift 2y ago
  > ... writing report summaries. Hallucinated report summaries could go quite badly if used uncritically by decision makers. Especially if they're ingested by AI systems further up the decision making chain(s).
- croes 2y ago
  You mean summaries like for this journalist were the AI confused the cases he wrote about with convictions he got? https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/09/a-courts-reporter-wrote-about-a-few-trials-then-an-ai-decided-he-was-actually-the-culprit/ https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/09/a-courts-reporter-wrote-ab... The same could happen with summaries to decide if someone is a threat
notinmykernel 2y ago
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maxbond 2y ago
If no one ever downvotes what you say, you're probably not taking enough risks in your commentary. (But if you know most people will downvote it, especially if you know it's going to be flagged, you probably shouldn't say it. Not for any big reason, just because it's rude.)

Because it assumes OpenAI being used for anything remotely interesting rather than writing report summaries. This may have a fun media summary, but until unless significantly tweaked, it's still just an expensive multimodal model. It's not going to be used outside of offices.

nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
Have you never heard of the banality of evil? The nazis used IBM punch cards. IBM was in the death business, even if they weren't making bombs or nerve gas.
- viraptor 2y ago
  Sure. Once OpenAI starts making something actually targetted towards the army at their request, that's a different thing. But as far as I understand, so far the army just bought a volume licence to a public service. The actual line is: > Advanced AI/ML Capabilities: Utilization of Microsoft's native AI services, including Azure AI Search, OpenAI tools, and Azure Synapse for unified analytics and big data processing.
  - nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
    analytics and data processing by the military is by definition the death business
    - viraptor 2y ago
      And food supplies and healthcare and energy and transportation and housing and... At the US army scale, what isn't death business? There's almost every profession with some connection. As long as OpenAI sells what they normally sell to everyone anyway, I don't see a problem. The document doesn't even mention any special deals.
    - rpdillon 2y ago
      It really isn't, in my experience. What makes you think "everything military = death business"? The military tends to be mostly logistics, and ends up funneling resources to tons of efforts that benefit the nation as a whole. One such investment is CCDC SC, which was the subject of a 99 PI podcast, IIRC. They've worked for decades to research and operationalize shelf-stable foods, for example. These approaches have made it into civilian foods for the same reasons they are used in the military: convenience, especially under dire circumstances. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Capabilities_Development_Command_Soldier_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Capabilities_Developmen...
      - nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
        >>What makes you think "everything military = death business"? mil·i·tar·y /ˈmiləˌterē/ adjective relating to or characteristic of soldiers or armed forces. Hope this helps.
        hughesjj 2y ago
        Because the army doesn't build levees on the missippi and gps & Internet are strictly used to murder people Just like the Roman legions only built roads for murder conveyors and weren't ever used by normal citizens Facial recognition with a proven bias against certain minorities being used for ICE? Yeah, I got a big problem with that. Some private or low level staffer looking for some boilerplate language or editing feedback on a PowerPoint presentation? Using chatgpt as a better Google translate instead of getting more locals and their families into a precarious situation? Not a problem imo.
        serf 2y ago
        >Some private or low level staffer looking for some boilerplate language or editing feedback on a PowerPoint presentation? Using chatgpt as a better Google translate instead of getting more locals and their families into a precarious situation? Not a problem imo. that's beyond the point. parent objects to the war machine -- even those 'low level staffers and privates' are contributing meaningfully to the machine in which they operate themselves. if the end result of a mundane process is that a bomb gets dropped and lots of people die, it doesn't really much matter to most people how minor the role is; like it or not even the guy getting the coffee for the general is a part of that process which ends in an action that parent objects to. people oft forget this fact, which leads into a slippery path of 'condoning via non-action' because "well it's just coffee!", until it all adds up into a 'war crime' or 'tactical victory'.
justinclift 2y ago
> ... writing report summaries. Hallucinated report summaries could go quite badly if used uncritically by decision makers. Especially if they're ingested by AI systems further up the decision making chain(s).
croes 2y ago
You mean summaries like for this journalist were the AI confused the cases he wrote about with convictions he got? https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/09/a-courts-reporter-wrote-about-a-few-trials-then-an-ai-decided-he-was-actually-the-culprit/ https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/09/a-courts-reporter-wrote-ab... The same could happen with summaries to decide if someone is a threat

notinmykernel 2y ago

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maxbond 2y ago

If no one ever downvotes what you say, you're probably not taking enough risks in your commentary. (But if you know most people will downvote it, especially if you know it's going to be flagged, you probably shouldn't say it. Not for any big reason, just because it's rude.)