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Good. Oh and “unborn” babies is a weird term for fetus that is a politically loaded term… and is as much logical sense as calling the living “undead” or “unbur
by mint2 2y ago
Good.
Oh and “unborn” babies is a weird term for fetus that is a politically loaded term… and is as much logical sense as calling the living “undead” or “unburied”
- exabrial 2y agoIts literally what they are, they're not aliens, they're people.
- mint2 2y agoThey are fetuses, the term unborn baby was until recently has been almost exclusively used by anti abortion advocates. Perhaps they are becoming successful at normalizing the terminology.
- khaki54 2y agoGreat but "infant in the womb" and similar phrases go all the way back to antiquity. If anything, dehumanizing the fetus is a recent invention by pro abortion advocates.
- consteval 2y agoI mean, define recent. Abortion has been protected for many many decades in the US. Anti-abortion advocacy is rather new, and old-timey at the same time. The arguments more or less haven't changed since the 50s. For the majority of the time since Roe nobody really cared - the American right shifted to other divisive politics. In the past 10 years they shifted back. Not sure why, maybe they felt as a party it was a strategic entry point into the topic of 14th amendment privacy as a whole. Certainly, that seems plausible when individuals such as Justice Thomas have alluded to taking aim at other protections of that nature such as Loving and Obergefell.
- mint2 2y agoWell in antiquity one could also cast unwanted babies in the river so I prefer debating based on modern standards and terminology. And a lot of cultures celebrate like the 100th day of life with some ceremony because so many babies died before that in antiquity. Humanizing babies, and I mean actual babies, is also modern. Heck, until recently people could be treated as property so even humanizing humans was a recent turn of events. Shall we judge things by antiquity standards, is that really smart?
- lxe 2y agoI'm pro-choice, but labeling terms like 'unborn babies' as 'weird' for being 'politically loaded' feels like an unproductive distraction. You're just adding bait to a divisive debate rather than contributing any real substance to the conversation.
- mint2 2y agoIt’s divisive to not want loaded language that is almost exclusively used by anti-abortion advocates rather than the general terminology? Using the divisive terminology is what’s divisive, not the comment complaining about the divisive language
- consteval 2y agoI believe it is politically loaded, but that it doesn't matter here. Certainly I'm not going to bother to call these things out when it's not really the topic. But, since we're here, I think it's loaded because it implies the fetus will be born. It kind of gives the impressions that a fetus is equivalent to a baby given enough time, hence they are unborn babies. I think that language is inherently anti-choice. It seems nitpicky but these subtle collective consciousness changes result in culture shifts over time.
- EasyMark 2y agoI think you have to watch for such terminology as it fetus is a much better word, otherwise you let reporters sneak in their own personal biases instead of using neutral terminology.