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Yep. I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I was more or less upgrading yearly in the past because the speed increases (both in the G4 and th

Yep. I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I was more or less upgrading yearly in the past because the speed increases (both in the G4 and then Intel generations) were so significant. This M1 has exceeded my expectations in every category, it's faster quieter and cooler than any laptop i've ever owned. I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it. I wouldn't upgrade except the increase in memory is great, I don't want to have to shut down apps to be able to load some huge LLMs, and, I ding'ed the top case a few months ago and now there's a shadow on the screen in that spot in some lighting conditions which is very annoying. I hope (and expect) the M4 to last just as long as my M1 did.

jader201 2y ago
> I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. My 2015 MBP would like to have a word. It’s the only laptop purchase I’ve made. I still use it to this day, though not as regularly. I will likely get a new MBP one of these days.
- nicolas_t 2y ago
  Ah my 2013 mbp died in 2019. It was the gpu. No way to repair it for cheap enough so I had to replace it with a 2019 mbp which was the computer I kept the shortest (I hated the keyboard).
  - Jaxan 2y ago
    My 2011 MBP died in 2023, it was used daily but very slow at the end of its life.
- ptmcc 2y ago
  My 2015 15" MBP is also still kickin, is/was an absolutely fabulous unit. Was my work machine for 3-4 years, and now another almost-6 years as my personal laptop. My personal use case is obviously not very demanding but it's only now starting to really show its age. I also have a M1 from work that is absolutely wonderful, but I think it's time for me to upgrade the 2015 with one of these new M4s. The longevity of Macbooks is insanely good.
  - BossingAround 2y ago
    Honestly, my Thinkpad from 2015 was still used in my family until recently. The battery was pretty bad, same as on my 2015 MBP, but other than that, I put Fedora on it, and it was still really fast. Longevity is not only a thing of MBPs. OTOH, IIRC, some 2017-2019 MBPs (before the Mx switch) were terrible for longevity, given their problematic keyboard.
- 0wis 2y ago
  If we are going this way… I still use a mid-2012 MBP as my main workstation. Last one with upgrade capabilities, now it has two fast SSDs and maximum Ram. I changed the battery once. Only shame is that it doesn’t get major MacOS upgrades anymore. Still good enough to browse the web, do office productivity and web development. 12 years of good use, I am not sure I can get so much value anywhere now
  - PostLogical 2y ago
    Same setup here except I use Opencore Legacy Patcher so I’m on the latest OS as well. Works amazingly well.
    - yumraj 2y ago
      How’s the performance? I have 2013 MBP with 16GB RAM, and am curious if the newer OS are more RAM hungry.
    - 0wis 2y ago
      I never questioned the limitations for these upgrades… Thanks for reminding me that everything is possible, I may try Opencore to keep it even longer !
  - starik36 2y ago
    That is amazing. Mine lasted for a super long time as well, and like you, I upgraded everything to its max. I think it was the last model with a 17 inch screen. Sold mine last year for $100 to some dude who claimed to have some software that only runs on that specific laptop. I didn't question it.
  - gen220 2y ago
    I was also a mid-2012 MBP user. I eventually got the M2 MBA because I was investing in my eyesight (modern displays are significantly better). I was never impressed with the touchbar-era macs, they didn't appeal to me and their keyboards were terrible. I think this M-series macbook airs are a worthy successor to the 2012 MBP. I fully intend to use this laptop for at least the same amount of time, ideally more. The lack of replaceable battery will probably be the eventual killer, which is a shame.
- JohnBooty 2y ago
  My 2015 MBP would probably have been totally fine for development... except for the Docker-based workflows that everybody uses now. Rebuilding a bunch of Docker images on an older intel mac is quite the slow experience if you're doing it multiple times per day.
- chrisweekly 2y ago
  My wife still uses my 2012 MBP 15 retina as her daily driver. The battery's terrible but everything else works fine.
  - thenaturalist 2y ago
    It's extremely easy to replace the battery. Anything you can buy online ships with all required screw drivers and dozen of Youtube videos or ifixit will give you step by step instructions. 10-15 minutes and you'll have the old battery replaced all by yourself. It's that simple.
  - kalleboo 2y ago
    I used that same model for 5 years until I finally upgraded in 2017 and totally regretted it, the upgrade was not worth it at all, I would have been just as happy with the 2012. I quickly replaced it again with the "Mea Culpa" 2019 where they added back in ports, etc, would have been just about worth the upgrade over the 2012, 7 years later, but again, not by a big margin. The 2012 MBP 15" Retina was probably the only machine I bought where the performance actually got better over the years, as the OS got more optimized for it (the early OS revisions had very slow graphics drivers dealing with the retina display) The M1 Pro on the other hand, that was a true upgrade. Just a completely different experience to any Apple Intel laptop.
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      2017 and 2019 had the same ports?
      - kalleboo 2y ago
        Ah you're right, it was only the keyboard and battery they fixed. It's been too long, I guess I had blocked out just just how terrible those Intel MacBooks were.
- oceanplexian 2y ago
  I still have my 2015, and it lived just long enough to keep me going until the death of the touch bar and horrible keyboard, which went away when I immediately bought the M1 Pro on release day.
  - thenaturalist 2y ago
    Exactly same story here. For it's time, the 2015 model was a fantastic package: reliable and robust in form and function. Would've kept going on it had Apple silicon and 14 inch not come around. Barring super niche LLM use cases, I don't see why one would need to upgrade.
- qubitcoder 2y ago
  You'll be glad you did. I loved my 2015 MBP. I even drove 3 hours to the nearest Best Buy to snag one. That display was glorious. A fantastic machine. I eventually gave it to my sister, who continued using it until a few years ago. The battery was gone, but it still worked great. When you upgrade, prepare to be astonished. The performance improvement is difficult to convey. It's akin to traveling by horse and buggy. And then hopping into a modern jetliner, flying first class. It's not just speed. Display quality, build quality, sound quality, keyboard quality, trackpad, ports, etc., have all improved considerably.
  - B1FF_PSUVM 2y ago
    > The battery was gone, but it still worked great. A family 2018 Macbook Air got a second life with a battery replacement. Cheap kit from Amazon, screwdrivers included, extremely easy to do. Still in use, no problems.
  - philsnow 2y ago
    The performance jump between a top-of-the-line intel MBP (I don't remember the year, probably 2019) and the m1 max I got to replace it.. was rather like the perf jump between spinning disks and SSDs. When I migrated all my laptops to SSDs (lenovos at the time, so it was drop-dead simple), I thought to myself, "this is a once-in-a-generation feeling". I didn't think I would ever be impressed by a laptop's speed ever again. It was nice to be wrong.
- grahamj 2y ago
  I loved my 2015 MBP, probably the best machine Apple made, overall, until arguably the 2019 16" (read: after the butterfly keyboard debacle) Traded it for an M1 Air in 2021 and was astonished at how much faster it was. It even blew away my 2019 16" from work. You're going to be even more blown away!
- grecy 2y ago
  I loved my 2015 MBP too. I recently replaced it with a used MBA M1, 16GB, 2TB. It's insane how much faster it is, how long the battery lasts and how cool and silent it is. Completely different worlds.
- smileysteve 2y ago
  I've just replaced a 2012 i5 mbp, and used it for Dev work and presentations into 2018. It has gotten significantly slower the last 2 years, but the more obvious issue is the sound, inability to virtual background, and now lack of software updates. But if you had told me I'd need to replace it in 2022 I wouldn't believe you
- alfiedotwtf 2y ago
  The 2015 MacBook Pro is the Nokia 3310 of our generation.
- OmahaBoy69 2y ago
  The 2015 keeps going! I was considering upgrading to an M3 up until about a month ago when Apple replaced my battery, keyboard, top case, and trackpad completely for free. An upgrade would be nice as it no longer supports the latest MacOS, but at this point, I may just load Ubuntu on the thing and keep using it for another few years. What a machine.
- theshrike79 2y ago
  2015 MBP here too, even got a new topcase and a battery replaced for free because it had some issues according to Apple. Can't get the latest macOS on it though, but otherwise it still works perfectly well. Kinda considering upgrading it to a used M1/M2 one at some point.
touristtam 2y ago
How do you justify this kind of recurring purchases, even with selling your old device? I don't get the behaviour or the driving decision factor past the obvious "I need the latest shiny toy" (I can't find the exact words to describe it, so apologies for the reductive description). I have either assembled my own desktop computers or purchased ex corporate Lenovo over the years with a mix of Windows (for gaming obviously) and Linux and only recently (4 years ago) been given a MBP by work as they (IT) cannot manage Linux machines like they do with MacOS and Windows. I have moved from an intel i5 MBP to a M3 Pro (?) and it makes me want to throw away my dependable ThinkPad/Fedora machine I still uses for personal projects.
- nwhnwh 2y ago
  Consuming... for some people, is done for it's own sake.
- szundi 2y ago
  There are 2 things I was always spending money on, if I felt is not the almost best achievable: my bed and my laptop. Even the phone can be 4 years old iPhone, but the laptop must be best and fast. My sleep is also pretty important. Everything else is just "eco".
- szundi 2y ago
  In my country you can buy a device and write off in 2 years, VAT reimbursed, then scrap it from the books and you sell it to people without tax payed to people who otherwise would pay a pretty hefty VAT. This decreases your loss of value to like half.
  - NightlyDev 2y ago
    I don't think tax evasion is something one should recommend people do.
    - KptMarchewa 2y ago
      It's tax avoidance, not evasion. If it's fully legal then I don't know why wouldn't you recommend it. If you are against it, you can easily pay more in taxes than required yourself.
garyrob 2y ago
"I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it." Me too. Only one complaint. After I accidentally spilled a cup of water into it on an airplane, it didn't work. (However AppleCare fixed it for $300 and I had a very recent backup. :) )
- samtheprogram 2y ago
  If you don’t have AppleCare, it costs $1400+. M2 Pro here that I’m waiting to fix or upgrade because of that. What’s more annoying is that I’d jus to get a new one and recycle this one, but the SSD is soldered on. Good on you for having a backup. Do not own a Mac unless you bought it used or have AppleCare.
  - garyrob 2y ago
    Yeah, I always have AppleCare. I view it as part of the cost of a mac (or iPhone). And yeah, this incident reminded me of why it's important to back up as close to daily as you can, or even more often during periods when you're doing important work and want to be sure you have the intermediate steps.
  - elzbardico 2y ago
    I've been using portable macs for the last 25 years. Never had AppleCare or any other extended warranty program. Did just fine up to now.
    - garyrob 2y ago
      Interesting. I have found occasion to use it for pretty much every Mac I've owned since the 1980s! I'm not sure how much money it's saved compared to just paying for repairs when needed, but I suspect it may come out to: 1) a slight overall savings, though I'm not sure about that. 2) a lack of stress when something breaks. Even if there isn't an overall savings, for me it's been worth it because of that. Certainly, my recent Mac repair would have cost $1500 and I only paid $300, and I think I've had the machine for about 3 years, so there's a savings there but considerably less recent stress. That's similar to the experience I've had all along, although this recent expense would have probably been my most-expensive repair ever.
halfmatthalfcat 2y ago
My 2019 i9 going strong as ever. With 64gb ram, really don’t need to upgrade for at least a couple more years.
- AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
  I had the 2019 i9. The power difference and the cooling difference is astounding from the 2019 to the M1 (and the M1 is faster). I actually use my laptop on my lap commonly and I think the i9 was going to sterilize me.
  - grahamj 2y ago
    yeah I had the 8-core i9 and I was shocked at how much faster my M1 Air was when I got it. No fan and still acing the old MBP! Now on M2 MBP and will probably be using it for a very long time.
  - icedchai 2y ago
    I had an 2019 i9 for a work laptop. It was absolutely awful, especially with the corporate anti-virus / spyware on it that brought it to a crawl. Fans would run constantly. Any sort of Node JS build would make it sound like a jet engine.
- KptMarchewa 2y ago
  That was the worst laptop I've ever had. Not only was it turning the jet engines on when you tried to do something more demanding that moving mouse around, it throttled thermally so much that you literally could not move that mouse around.
  - halfmatthalfcat 2y ago
    I mean, before the i9, I had a shitty XPS 13" so it's been a huge relative upgrade to me.
LeafItAlone 2y ago
>I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1 What different lives we live. This first M1 was in November 2020. Not even four years old. I’ve never had a [personal] computer for _less_ time than that. (Work, yes, due to changing jobs or company-dictated changes/upgrades)
- AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
  My work computer is my personal computer. I easily spend 100+ hours a week using it.
  - CountHackulus 2y ago
    Same here, but I'm still using a mid 2012 Macbook Pro. It's got an SSD and 32GB of ram, but it still works great.
    - AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
      I feel like just running teams on that would make it cry.
      - danielbln 2y ago
        I also bet it sounds like a Harrier jet when doing most things, at the temperature of a hot plate.
        LeafItAlone 2y ago
        >at the temperature of a hot plate That’s a feature, not a bug, for some. When I upgraded to an M series chip MacBook, I had to turn up the heat because I no longer had my mini space heater.
      - alluro2 2y ago
        Exactly my thoughts. I don't understand whether I'm really spoiled, or is the crowd here weird about upgrading for some reason - if you have a laptop from 4-5 years ago, the new one would be 2-5x faster in vast majority of things - even if not critical for your workflow, it would feel SO MUCH nicer - so if it's something you use for 100h / week, shouldn't you try to make it as enjoyable as reasonably possible? Other example - I'm by no means rich, but I have a $300 mechanical keyboard - it doesn't make me type faster and it doesn't have additional functionality to a regular $30 Logitech one - but typing on it feels so nice and I spend so much of my life doing it, that to me it's completely justified and needed to have this one then.
lqet 2y ago
> I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I still have a running Thinkpad R60 from 2007, a running Thinkpad T510 from 2012, and a modified running Thinkpad X61 (which I re-built as an X62 using the kit from 51nb in 2017 with a i7-5600U processor, 32 GB of RAM and a new display) in regular use. The latter required new batteries every 2 years, but was my main machine until 2 weeks ago when I replaced it with a ThinkCentre. During their time as my main machine, each of these laptops was actively used around 100 hours per week, and was often running for weeks without shutdown or reboot. The only thing that every broke was the display of the R60 which started to show several green vertical bars after 6 years, but replacement was easy.

jader201 2y ago

> I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. My 2015 MBP would like to have a word. It’s the only laptop purchase I’ve made. I still use it to this day, though not as regularly. I will likely get a new MBP one of these days.

nicolas_t 2y ago
Ah my 2013 mbp died in 2019. It was the gpu. No way to repair it for cheap enough so I had to replace it with a 2019 mbp which was the computer I kept the shortest (I hated the keyboard).
- Jaxan 2y ago
  My 2011 MBP died in 2023, it was used daily but very slow at the end of its life.
ptmcc 2y ago
My 2015 15" MBP is also still kickin, is/was an absolutely fabulous unit. Was my work machine for 3-4 years, and now another almost-6 years as my personal laptop. My personal use case is obviously not very demanding but it's only now starting to really show its age. I also have a M1 from work that is absolutely wonderful, but I think it's time for me to upgrade the 2015 with one of these new M4s. The longevity of Macbooks is insanely good.
- BossingAround 2y ago
  Honestly, my Thinkpad from 2015 was still used in my family until recently. The battery was pretty bad, same as on my 2015 MBP, but other than that, I put Fedora on it, and it was still really fast. Longevity is not only a thing of MBPs. OTOH, IIRC, some 2017-2019 MBPs (before the Mx switch) were terrible for longevity, given their problematic keyboard.
0wis 2y ago
If we are going this way… I still use a mid-2012 MBP as my main workstation. Last one with upgrade capabilities, now it has two fast SSDs and maximum Ram. I changed the battery once. Only shame is that it doesn’t get major MacOS upgrades anymore. Still good enough to browse the web, do office productivity and web development. 12 years of good use, I am not sure I can get so much value anywhere now
- PostLogical 2y ago
  Same setup here except I use Opencore Legacy Patcher so I’m on the latest OS as well. Works amazingly well.
  - yumraj 2y ago
    How’s the performance? I have 2013 MBP with 16GB RAM, and am curious if the newer OS are more RAM hungry.
  - 0wis 2y ago
    I never questioned the limitations for these upgrades… Thanks for reminding me that everything is possible, I may try Opencore to keep it even longer !
- starik36 2y ago
  That is amazing. Mine lasted for a super long time as well, and like you, I upgraded everything to its max. I think it was the last model with a 17 inch screen. Sold mine last year for $100 to some dude who claimed to have some software that only runs on that specific laptop. I didn't question it.
- gen220 2y ago
  I was also a mid-2012 MBP user. I eventually got the M2 MBA because I was investing in my eyesight (modern displays are significantly better). I was never impressed with the touchbar-era macs, they didn't appeal to me and their keyboards were terrible. I think this M-series macbook airs are a worthy successor to the 2012 MBP. I fully intend to use this laptop for at least the same amount of time, ideally more. The lack of replaceable battery will probably be the eventual killer, which is a shame.
JohnBooty 2y ago
My 2015 MBP would probably have been totally fine for development... except for the Docker-based workflows that everybody uses now. Rebuilding a bunch of Docker images on an older intel mac is quite the slow experience if you're doing it multiple times per day.
chrisweekly 2y ago
My wife still uses my 2012 MBP 15 retina as her daily driver. The battery's terrible but everything else works fine.
- thenaturalist 2y ago
  It's extremely easy to replace the battery. Anything you can buy online ships with all required screw drivers and dozen of Youtube videos or ifixit will give you step by step instructions. 10-15 minutes and you'll have the old battery replaced all by yourself. It's that simple.
- kalleboo 2y ago
  I used that same model for 5 years until I finally upgraded in 2017 and totally regretted it, the upgrade was not worth it at all, I would have been just as happy with the 2012. I quickly replaced it again with the "Mea Culpa" 2019 where they added back in ports, etc, would have been just about worth the upgrade over the 2012, 7 years later, but again, not by a big margin. The 2012 MBP 15" Retina was probably the only machine I bought where the performance actually got better over the years, as the OS got more optimized for it (the early OS revisions had very slow graphics drivers dealing with the retina display) The M1 Pro on the other hand, that was a true upgrade. Just a completely different experience to any Apple Intel laptop.
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    2017 and 2019 had the same ports?
    - kalleboo 2y ago
      Ah you're right, it was only the keyboard and battery they fixed. It's been too long, I guess I had blocked out just just how terrible those Intel MacBooks were.
oceanplexian 2y ago
I still have my 2015, and it lived just long enough to keep me going until the death of the touch bar and horrible keyboard, which went away when I immediately bought the M1 Pro on release day.
- thenaturalist 2y ago
  Exactly same story here. For it's time, the 2015 model was a fantastic package: reliable and robust in form and function. Would've kept going on it had Apple silicon and 14 inch not come around. Barring super niche LLM use cases, I don't see why one would need to upgrade.
qubitcoder 2y ago
You'll be glad you did. I loved my 2015 MBP. I even drove 3 hours to the nearest Best Buy to snag one. That display was glorious. A fantastic machine. I eventually gave it to my sister, who continued using it until a few years ago. The battery was gone, but it still worked great. When you upgrade, prepare to be astonished. The performance improvement is difficult to convey. It's akin to traveling by horse and buggy. And then hopping into a modern jetliner, flying first class. It's not just speed. Display quality, build quality, sound quality, keyboard quality, trackpad, ports, etc., have all improved considerably.
- B1FF_PSUVM 2y ago
  > The battery was gone, but it still worked great. A family 2018 Macbook Air got a second life with a battery replacement. Cheap kit from Amazon, screwdrivers included, extremely easy to do. Still in use, no problems.
- philsnow 2y ago
  The performance jump between a top-of-the-line intel MBP (I don't remember the year, probably 2019) and the m1 max I got to replace it.. was rather like the perf jump between spinning disks and SSDs. When I migrated all my laptops to SSDs (lenovos at the time, so it was drop-dead simple), I thought to myself, "this is a once-in-a-generation feeling". I didn't think I would ever be impressed by a laptop's speed ever again. It was nice to be wrong.
grahamj 2y ago
I loved my 2015 MBP, probably the best machine Apple made, overall, until arguably the 2019 16" (read: after the butterfly keyboard debacle) Traded it for an M1 Air in 2021 and was astonished at how much faster it was. It even blew away my 2019 16" from work. You're going to be even more blown away!
grecy 2y ago
I loved my 2015 MBP too. I recently replaced it with a used MBA M1, 16GB, 2TB. It's insane how much faster it is, how long the battery lasts and how cool and silent it is. Completely different worlds.
smileysteve 2y ago
I've just replaced a 2012 i5 mbp, and used it for Dev work and presentations into 2018. It has gotten significantly slower the last 2 years, but the more obvious issue is the sound, inability to virtual background, and now lack of software updates. But if you had told me I'd need to replace it in 2022 I wouldn't believe you
alfiedotwtf 2y ago
The 2015 MacBook Pro is the Nokia 3310 of our generation.
OmahaBoy69 2y ago
The 2015 keeps going! I was considering upgrading to an M3 up until about a month ago when Apple replaced my battery, keyboard, top case, and trackpad completely for free. An upgrade would be nice as it no longer supports the latest MacOS, but at this point, I may just load Ubuntu on the thing and keep using it for another few years. What a machine.
theshrike79 2y ago
2015 MBP here too, even got a new topcase and a battery replaced for free because it had some issues according to Apple. Can't get the latest macOS on it though, but otherwise it still works perfectly well. Kinda considering upgrading it to a used M1/M2 one at some point.

touristtam 2y ago

How do you justify this kind of recurring purchases, even with selling your old device? I don't get the behaviour or the driving decision factor past the obvious "I need the latest shiny toy" (I can't find the exact words to describe it, so apologies for the reductive description). I have either assembled my own desktop computers or purchased ex corporate Lenovo over the years with a mix of Windows (for gaming obviously) and Linux and only recently (4 years ago) been given a MBP by work as they (IT) cannot manage Linux machines like they do with MacOS and Windows. I have moved from an intel i5 MBP to a M3 Pro (?) and it makes me want to throw away my dependable ThinkPad/Fedora machine I still uses for personal projects.

nwhnwh 2y ago
Consuming... for some people, is done for it's own sake.
szundi 2y ago
There are 2 things I was always spending money on, if I felt is not the almost best achievable: my bed and my laptop. Even the phone can be 4 years old iPhone, but the laptop must be best and fast. My sleep is also pretty important. Everything else is just "eco".
szundi 2y ago
In my country you can buy a device and write off in 2 years, VAT reimbursed, then scrap it from the books and you sell it to people without tax payed to people who otherwise would pay a pretty hefty VAT. This decreases your loss of value to like half.
- NightlyDev 2y ago
  I don't think tax evasion is something one should recommend people do.
  - KptMarchewa 2y ago
    It's tax avoidance, not evasion. If it's fully legal then I don't know why wouldn't you recommend it. If you are against it, you can easily pay more in taxes than required yourself.

garyrob 2y ago

"I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it." Me too. Only one complaint. After I accidentally spilled a cup of water into it on an airplane, it didn't work. (However AppleCare fixed it for $300 and I had a very recent backup. :) )

samtheprogram 2y ago
If you don’t have AppleCare, it costs $1400+. M2 Pro here that I’m waiting to fix or upgrade because of that. What’s more annoying is that I’d jus to get a new one and recycle this one, but the SSD is soldered on. Good on you for having a backup. Do not own a Mac unless you bought it used or have AppleCare.
- garyrob 2y ago
  Yeah, I always have AppleCare. I view it as part of the cost of a mac (or iPhone). And yeah, this incident reminded me of why it's important to back up as close to daily as you can, or even more often during periods when you're doing important work and want to be sure you have the intermediate steps.
- elzbardico 2y ago
  I've been using portable macs for the last 25 years. Never had AppleCare or any other extended warranty program. Did just fine up to now.
  - garyrob 2y ago
    Interesting. I have found occasion to use it for pretty much every Mac I've owned since the 1980s! I'm not sure how much money it's saved compared to just paying for repairs when needed, but I suspect it may come out to: 1) a slight overall savings, though I'm not sure about that. 2) a lack of stress when something breaks. Even if there isn't an overall savings, for me it's been worth it because of that. Certainly, my recent Mac repair would have cost $1500 and I only paid $300, and I think I've had the machine for about 3 years, so there's a savings there but considerably less recent stress. That's similar to the experience I've had all along, although this recent expense would have probably been my most-expensive repair ever.

halfmatthalfcat 2y ago

My 2019 i9 going strong as ever. With 64gb ram, really don’t need to upgrade for at least a couple more years.

AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
I had the 2019 i9. The power difference and the cooling difference is astounding from the 2019 to the M1 (and the M1 is faster). I actually use my laptop on my lap commonly and I think the i9 was going to sterilize me.
- grahamj 2y ago
  yeah I had the 8-core i9 and I was shocked at how much faster my M1 Air was when I got it. No fan and still acing the old MBP! Now on M2 MBP and will probably be using it for a very long time.
- icedchai 2y ago
  I had an 2019 i9 for a work laptop. It was absolutely awful, especially with the corporate anti-virus / spyware on it that brought it to a crawl. Fans would run constantly. Any sort of Node JS build would make it sound like a jet engine.
KptMarchewa 2y ago
That was the worst laptop I've ever had. Not only was it turning the jet engines on when you tried to do something more demanding that moving mouse around, it throttled thermally so much that you literally could not move that mouse around.
- halfmatthalfcat 2y ago
  I mean, before the i9, I had a shitty XPS 13" so it's been a huge relative upgrade to me.

LeafItAlone 2y ago

>I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1 What different lives we live. This first M1 was in November 2020. Not even four years old. I’ve never had a [personal] computer for _less_ time than that. (Work, yes, due to changing jobs or company-dictated changes/upgrades)

AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
My work computer is my personal computer. I easily spend 100+ hours a week using it.
- CountHackulus 2y ago
  Same here, but I'm still using a mid 2012 Macbook Pro. It's got an SSD and 32GB of ram, but it still works great.
  - AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
    I feel like just running teams on that would make it cry.
    - danielbln 2y ago
      I also bet it sounds like a Harrier jet when doing most things, at the temperature of a hot plate.
      - LeafItAlone 2y ago
        >at the temperature of a hot plate That’s a feature, not a bug, for some. When I upgraded to an M series chip MacBook, I had to turn up the heat because I no longer had my mini space heater.
    - alluro2 2y ago
      Exactly my thoughts. I don't understand whether I'm really spoiled, or is the crowd here weird about upgrading for some reason - if you have a laptop from 4-5 years ago, the new one would be 2-5x faster in vast majority of things - even if not critical for your workflow, it would feel SO MUCH nicer - so if it's something you use for 100h / week, shouldn't you try to make it as enjoyable as reasonably possible? Other example - I'm by no means rich, but I have a $300 mechanical keyboard - it doesn't make me type faster and it doesn't have additional functionality to a regular $30 Logitech one - but typing on it feels so nice and I spend so much of my life doing it, that to me it's completely justified and needed to have this one then.

lqet 2y ago

> I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I still have a running Thinkpad R60 from 2007, a running Thinkpad T510 from 2012, and a modified running Thinkpad X61 (which I re-built as an X62 using the kit from 51nb in 2017 with a i7-5600U processor, 32 GB of RAM and a new display) in regular use. The latter required new batteries every 2 years, but was my main machine until 2 weeks ago when I replaced it with a ThinkCentre. During their time as my main machine, each of these laptops was actively used around 100 hours per week, and was often running for weeks without shutdown or reboot. The only thing that every broke was the display of the R60 which started to show several green vertical bars after 6 years, but replacement was easy.