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As a long time HN user, it's quite disturbing to see the slow descent of this community into a world view dominated by luddism, degrowth, anti-technology and an

As a long time HN user, it's quite disturbing to see the slow descent of this community into a world view dominated by luddism, degrowth, anti-technology and anti-natalism. All these things seem to go hand in hand in the ideology of today's left. I can just play out this conversation in my head, I know exactly how it goes, every time Me: we are dead by default, even if climate change doesn't kill us then population collapse will, or a natural disaster. The only way forward is to increase our technological power as a civilization and take control of our environment, we can't go back Them: What's so bad about a declining population? We need fewer people on this earth to make life sustainable Me: OK, we can discuss what's the optimal number of humans, but the population cliff that we're heading towards only means one thing: civilizational collapse. We need robotics to replace the work of the non-existant youth, and we need AI to cure aging Them: it's selfish to have children anyway, humans are a virus Me: Ok, so you're just anti-humanity? Why don't you start by offing yourself first then? Them: Whatever, Elon-Stan

bloppe 2y ago
Unfortunately, there isn't much difference between far left and far right anymore: https://archive.is/Njc6E https://archive.is/Njc6E
- purplethinking 2y ago
  Definitely feels like there's no sanity left in politics. Capitalism is easy to criticize but is the sole reason we live in a much much better world today. Love Norberg
trod123 2y ago
Well the descent of the community into delusion is an expected result from the lack of effective moderation and the echo chamber that has malign subversion campaigns running through it. The fact that no action has been taken towards correction by platform holders, nor the bare guidelines (unambiguous) needed to enforce such actions, means this is working as intended, and one just needs to be mindful of this when exposing themselves to its subtle harms. Unfortunately today, that naturally occurs in such places where you have a many-to-one platform that can squelch others arbitrarily. Distorted reflected appraisal is one of the most effective ways in how the left today brainwash people to embrace solutions that will inevitably result in their own destruction. Importantly though, it is not just the left but also the extreme right. There are two groups that pretend to be others, obscuring their nature. That is something that people don't understand, you need a push-pull mechanic to have a platform for insurgency, and that is what is intended. To promote insurgency from within. The educated know, you lose your platform (power) when you have no problems, so the problematic cohorts of people often know to only support solutions that make problems more frequent, creating the problems to empower your group. Both the Fabians, and Communists understood this back in the late 30s, and moving forward, and the need to obscure their origins. That is partially why they have gone through so many different labeled names over the years (same ideologies), there are people who believe this stuff today hook line and sinker and act schizophrenic as a result, which is common in totalitarian societies. Everyone who wasn't educated thinks its just a new thing, but its not, which is why education was the first thing to be corrupted. While the communists went after the proles and borgious at the low end of the spectrum (through education), the Fabians went after the money supply and hid themselves among industry, they are what we call Globalists today. Business isn't real business if its propped up by money printing, and money printing has as part of its dynamics an inevitable collapse to non-market socialism. The simple fact is, bridges were burnt so we can't go back. It was purposeful. Economic systems underlie production, Socialism economic systems fail inevitably to predictable problem classes. When order fails, food production fails. Ecological overshoot (malthusian reversion), then occurs. We get collapse proportional to the reversion. That is the truth of socialism, and its variations, as it stands with those 6 intractable unsolvable problems (100 years later). Now that's not to say those problems are unsolvable, just that no one has been able to solve them. This ceases being ideological when there is objective external proof that the problems can be solved; but like most great proofs, most people don't even attempt it when they are told something is impossible. I feel I also need to mention, the harm isn't in discussing the subject matter, the harm is in believing the deceitful promises made within it that are at this point delusional. If it was stable and worked following rational principle, there wouldn't be a debate. So few people are capable of rational thought today though which is another sign of the ailing times. Until that day comes, no one should be allowing these things in ways that promote a delusional majority. Economies only tend to regulate, when only two parties are involved (a 2-body system, static store of value). The moment you have a third party adjusting the ratio between those two bodies arbitrarily (via store of value), you get a 3-body system. We know how mathematically chaotic and unsolvable that is when you can't measure the important irreducible parts, since they can only be measured by lagging indicators; and not very accurately.

bloppe 2y ago

Unfortunately, there isn't much difference between far left and far right anymore: https://archive.is/Njc6E https://archive.is/Njc6E

purplethinking 2y ago
Definitely feels like there's no sanity left in politics. Capitalism is easy to criticize but is the sole reason we live in a much much better world today. Love Norberg

trod123 2y ago

Well the descent of the community into delusion is an expected result from the lack of effective moderation and the echo chamber that has malign subversion campaigns running through it. The fact that no action has been taken towards correction by platform holders, nor the bare guidelines (unambiguous) needed to enforce such actions, means this is working as intended, and one just needs to be mindful of this when exposing themselves to its subtle harms. Unfortunately today, that naturally occurs in such places where you have a many-to-one platform that can squelch others arbitrarily. Distorted reflected appraisal is one of the most effective ways in how the left today brainwash people to embrace solutions that will inevitably result in their own destruction. Importantly though, it is not just the left but also the extreme right. There are two groups that pretend to be others, obscuring their nature. That is something that people don't understand, you need a push-pull mechanic to have a platform for insurgency, and that is what is intended. To promote insurgency from within. The educated know, you lose your platform (power) when you have no problems, so the problematic cohorts of people often know to only support solutions that make problems more frequent, creating the problems to empower your group. Both the Fabians, and Communists understood this back in the late 30s, and moving forward, and the need to obscure their origins. That is partially why they have gone through so many different labeled names over the years (same ideologies), there are people who believe this stuff today hook line and sinker and act schizophrenic as a result, which is common in totalitarian societies. Everyone who wasn't educated thinks its just a new thing, but its not, which is why education was the first thing to be corrupted. While the communists went after the proles and borgious at the low end of the spectrum (through education), the Fabians went after the money supply and hid themselves among industry, they are what we call Globalists today. Business isn't real business if its propped up by money printing, and money printing has as part of its dynamics an inevitable collapse to non-market socialism. The simple fact is, bridges were burnt so we can't go back. It was purposeful. Economic systems underlie production, Socialism economic systems fail inevitably to predictable problem classes. When order fails, food production fails. Ecological overshoot (malthusian reversion), then occurs. We get collapse proportional to the reversion. That is the truth of socialism, and its variations, as it stands with those 6 intractable unsolvable problems (100 years later). Now that's not to say those problems are unsolvable, just that no one has been able to solve them. This ceases being ideological when there is objective external proof that the problems can be solved; but like most great proofs, most people don't even attempt it when they are told something is impossible. I feel I also need to mention, the harm isn't in discussing the subject matter, the harm is in believing the deceitful promises made within it that are at this point delusional. If it was stable and worked following rational principle, there wouldn't be a debate. So few people are capable of rational thought today though which is another sign of the ailing times. Until that day comes, no one should be allowing these things in ways that promote a delusional majority. Economies only tend to regulate, when only two parties are involved (a 2-body system, static store of value). The moment you have a third party adjusting the ratio between those two bodies arbitrarily (via store of value), you get a 3-body system. We know how mathematically chaotic and unsolvable that is when you can't measure the important irreducible parts, since they can only be measured by lagging indicators; and not very accurately.