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There is a theory that AI will kill propaganda and false beliefs. At some point, you cannot force all models to have bias. Scientific and societal truths will b

There is a theory that AI will kill propaganda and false beliefs. At some point, you cannot force all models to have bias. Scientific and societal truths will be readily spoken by the machine god.

professor_v 2y ago
I'm extremely skeptical about this, I once believed the internet would do something similar and it seems to have done exactly the opposite.
- topspin 2y ago
  Indeed. A model is only as good as its data. Propagandists have no difficulty grooming inputs. We have already seen high profile cases of this with machine learning.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  Completely different things. "Will the ability to let everyone express increase noise?" // Yes "Will feeding all available data to a processor reduce noise?" // Probably
int_19h 2y ago
Orwell wrote this back in 1944: "Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible fuhrer. Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible." So yeah, you can't force all models to have all the biases that you want them to have. But you most certainly can limit the number of such models and restrict access to them. It's not really any different from how totalitarian societies have treated science in general.

There is a theory that AI will kill propaganda and false beliefs. At some point, you cannot force all models to have bias. Scientific and societal truths will be readily spoken by the machine god.

professor_v 2y ago

I'm extremely skeptical about this, I once believed the internet would do something similar and it seems to have done exactly the opposite.

topspin 2y ago
Indeed. A model is only as good as its data. Propagandists have no difficulty grooming inputs. We have already seen high profile cases of this with machine learning.
mdp2021 2y ago
Completely different things. "Will the ability to let everyone express increase noise?" // Yes "Will feeding all available data to a processor reduce noise?" // Probably

int_19h 2y ago

Orwell wrote this back in 1944: "Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible fuhrer. Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible." So yeah, you can't force all models to have all the biases that you want them to have. But you most certainly can limit the number of such models and restrict access to them. It's not really any different from how totalitarian societies have treated science in general.