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New 12MP Center Stage Camera. Will it support 4k?

by commandersaki 2y ago

perfect-blue 2y ago
I don't think so. They would have made that a huge deal.
Almondsetat 2y ago
The 12MP will be used for better framing, there is still almost no use case for 4k quality video conferencing
- bearjaws 2y ago
  It is truly sad how bad Zoom / Google Meet / Teams are when it comes to video quality. I look at my local source vs the recording, and I am baffled. After a decade of online meeting software, we still stream 480p quality it seems.
  - fellowniusmonk 2y ago
    I mean you can easily create your own fully meshed P2P group video chat in your browser just using a little bit of JS that would support everyone running 4k, but it will fail the moment you get more than 3-8 people as each persons video stream is eating 25mbps for every side of a peer connection (or 2x per edge in the graph.) A huge part of group video chat is still "hacks" like downsampling non-speaking participants so the bandwidth doesn't kill the connection. As we get fatter pipes and faster GPUs streaming will become better. edit: I mean... I could see a future where realtime video feeds never get super high resolution and everything effectively becomes a relatively seemless AI recreation where only facial movement data is transmitted similar to how game engines work now.
    - bearjaws 2y ago
      I'm not asking for 4k. I am asking for good 720p... With how static cam footage is it would be less than 8mbps probably.
  - sroussey 2y ago
    FaceTime has great quality. Unfortunately, as you age you start to hate the quality.
  - Almondsetat 2y ago
    When I have a full team of people with 1080p webcams and a solid connection I can notice the quality. Most of the time not everyone fulfills those requirements and the orchestrator system has to make do
musictubes 2y ago
4k for videoconferencing is nuts. The new camera should be an improvement over the old. Plus, being able to show your actual, physical desktop can be Andy too. Using your iPhone as the webcam will still probably give you the best quality especially if you are in a lower light situation.
minimaxir 2y ago
Tech specs confirm only 1080p recording.

New 12MP Center Stage Camera. Will it support 4k?

perfect-blue 2y ago

I don't think so. They would have made that a huge deal.

Almondsetat 2y ago

The 12MP will be used for better framing, there is still almost no use case for 4k quality video conferencing

bearjaws 2y ago
It is truly sad how bad Zoom / Google Meet / Teams are when it comes to video quality. I look at my local source vs the recording, and I am baffled. After a decade of online meeting software, we still stream 480p quality it seems.
- fellowniusmonk 2y ago
  I mean you can easily create your own fully meshed P2P group video chat in your browser just using a little bit of JS that would support everyone running 4k, but it will fail the moment you get more than 3-8 people as each persons video stream is eating 25mbps for every side of a peer connection (or 2x per edge in the graph.) A huge part of group video chat is still "hacks" like downsampling non-speaking participants so the bandwidth doesn't kill the connection. As we get fatter pipes and faster GPUs streaming will become better. edit: I mean... I could see a future where realtime video feeds never get super high resolution and everything effectively becomes a relatively seemless AI recreation where only facial movement data is transmitted similar to how game engines work now.
  - bearjaws 2y ago
    I'm not asking for 4k. I am asking for good 720p... With how static cam footage is it would be less than 8mbps probably.
- sroussey 2y ago
  FaceTime has great quality. Unfortunately, as you age you start to hate the quality.
- Almondsetat 2y ago
  When I have a full team of people with 1080p webcams and a solid connection I can notice the quality. Most of the time not everyone fulfills those requirements and the orchestrator system has to make do

musictubes 2y ago

4k for videoconferencing is nuts. The new camera should be an improvement over the old. Plus, being able to show your actual, physical desktop can be Andy too. Using your iPhone as the webcam will still probably give you the best quality especially if you are in a lower light situation.

minimaxir 2y ago

Tech specs confirm only 1080p recording.