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Apple Introduces M4 Pro and M4 Max
- coffeeindex 2y agoMeanwhile my M1 is still a racehorse for 90% of my use cases
- Hamuko 2y agoBut will it run Cyberpunk 2077 (yes, seriously)? https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/30/24283651/cyberpunk-2077-launch-mac https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/30/24283651/cyberpunk-2077-...
- buildbot 2y agoProbably! It runs on a steam deck
- vineyardlabs 2y agoI played 40ish hours of Cyberpunk 2077 on m3 M3 Max MBP under crossover. Runs fine on medium/high settings.
- yungporko 2y agoive still never thrown anything at my m1 max that it couldn't handle
- gandalfgreybeer 2y agoI doubt I'll upgrade anytime soon, but at this rate when I do need to, I feel like I'm just going to get a Max because of how happy I've been with the base M1 Pro (just upgraded the RAM a step). That is if I don't just suddenly decide to replace the batteries (relatively cheap from the apple authorized store compared to a full upgrade).
- exabrial 2y agoWhy aren't they benching it against the M3?
- jodacola 2y agoGood question. Random guess: there are a lot of M1 holdouts they're trying to encourage to upgrade? There are a few such comments here already!
- kgwgk 2y ago- less impressive results - most people don't care because they're not contemplating upgrading after one year - those who care will find the benchmarks elsewhere
- grahamj 2y agoI like the M1 comparisons. They got some free improvements from the x86 -> ARM transition but everything past that is on them, so it's interesting to see how far they've come. But that aside I agree it feels like marketing slime to tout improvements over 3 gens ago. At least include comparisons to last gen. Preferably with numbers on the chart.
- runjake 2y agoThink of this more as marketing. The realistic benchmarks that matter to the rest of us will be out shortly: https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks
- swifthesitation 2y agoPeople who bought M3 arent the target customers. It's those who jumped into the M architecture first with the M1s.
- dialup_sounds 2y agoThe customer base on M1 is larger and more likely to be interested in upgrading. The M1 Air was only discontinued in March and is still for sale through Walmart and Costco. Not to mention the resale market created by all the people that moved to M2 and M3. There are tons of M1s out there. It is probably the most relevant comparison they could make, even though we're accustomed to seeing previous-gen benchmarks on everything.
- doctoboggan 2y agoAround announcements like these I always look for good deals on the previous models. Anyone know any particularly good deals for M2 or M3 based macs now?
- mostlysimilar 2y agoI'm happy that Apple continues to push forward, but I suspect my M1 Max from 2021 will last me a decade or more. It's just a beast of a machine. I hope they're also working on redesigning the MacBook Pro to feature a display without a notch. I'd buy that instantly.
- wwalexander 2y agoSeriously, I keep waiting for the FOMO to kick in but the M1 is still so great that I don’t have any. The only hiccups I ever have are resolving Swift result builder types…perhaps SwiftUI is just a big ploy to burn up all the extra CPU cycles.
- alexjplant 2y agoI held onto my M1 Air for almost 4 years and only upgraded because the LCD somehow developed some random screen-dooring issues. It was always completely capable for what I needed though I do appreciate the additional real estate afforded by its 15" M3 replacement.
- skohan 2y agoI was a huge Swift fan but SwiftUI and the changes supporting it in the language got me to switch to Rust for all my personal projects
- wwalexander 2y agoI’ll admit the builder DSL stuff is a bit of a Turing tarpit for me. I may have wasted the day yesterday trying to implement a BNF grammar DSL.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> I suspect my M1 Max from 2021 will last me a decade or more I’m still happy on my 2020 M1 normie MacBook Pro.
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- shostack 2y agoAny chance these will be competitive against dedicated gaming PCs with rtx 40xx and 50xx cards?
- andrewstuart2 2y agoGraphics performance, no. AI, also probably no. Especially if you're talking the higher end RTX cards that cost as much as these laptops. But they'll run editors, compilers, browsers, etc as well or better than a dedicated rig.
- lostmsu 2y agoLol no. AI peak perf difference (in int8) between this and 4090 is over 15x.
- pkage 2y agoDupe of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41995701 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41995701 (171 comments)
- valley_guy_12 2y agoNot exactly. Apple released 2 press releases today, the article you link to is about the laptops, this discussion is about the CPUs.
- pvg 2y agoThe HN dupe algebra goes by something like 'is the discussion going to be more or less the same'.
- virgildotcodes 2y agoInteresting that GPU core counts and max memory remained static from M3 Max at 40 and 128 respectively, cost saving measure to account for the bump from 8 -> 16gb at the low end of the line?
- dcchambers 2y agoA top-level M4 Max w/ 128GB of unified memory is a beast for local LLM inference. It means we could see an M4 Ultra with 256GB of memory! I think theoretically you could run inference on Llama 3.1 405B (4 bit) on a Mac Studio which is kinda nuts.
- mmwelt 2y ago> It’s up to 1.8x faster than M1, so multitasking across apps like Safari and Excel is lightning fast Is multitasking across a web browser and Excel slow on any CPU nowadays? More seriously, though, it probably shows that CPU speed is not the bottleneck for most tasks nowadays.
- submeta 2y agoI had ordered an M3 Max 14 inches with 48GB, 1TB, with 16-Core CPU, 40-Core GPU. When I picked up the device last week, the sales person told me I had the right to return it within 14 days because the M4 models were to be released soon. I had paid almost 4600 EUR for that. Today I happily ordered the M4 Max with 64 GB with otherwise same specs for 4600 EUR!!! Yay! Will return the other device happily. Thanks @Apple for a huge increase in specs for not even 100 EUR more :) PS: I just needed the RAM, as my M2/16GB constantly was using swap memory of up to 16GB and was really slow for my taste. I don't do "heavy weight lifting" with it, just leave all apps and tabs open :D PPS: I use VS Code, Emacs, Firefox (eats my RAM super fast :), and a ton of other apps, and in Firefox I use lots of web based apps (Figma, Lucid chart, Canva and some more)
- LaffertyDev 2y agoThis is me. My wife's old intel air was finally getting slow enough she was willing to replace it. Ordered a 2023 M3 Pro for her on Monday (that was even on sale!) knowing the refund window was ~2 weeks. Today, ordered a 2024 M4 Pro for the same price and better specs. (M3Pro, 512GB, 18GB ram -> M4Pro, 512GB, 24GB ram).
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- starf1sh 2y agoEquipping the MBA with 16 gigs but maintaining M2 and M3 cpus, thats's an interesting take. I do pity folks who got those with 8 gigs. Their resale value just went down a lot.
- SirMaster 2y agoHow do these compare in performance to the M3 Pro and M3 Max? Seems like the M4 Max has the same "specs" as the M3 Max. Same core count, gpu code count, and memory amount.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoWhat’s the case for new MacBook Pros? The design hasn’t changed since the M1 as far as I know, and maybe even earlier with the x86 Retina display MacBook Pro. These minor specification changes don’t make real life use much better. When will Apple do a bigger redesign?