> I'd firstly say y=1 is the goal (the language is basically complete; you can add more around the edges, Not your functions, not your plane, you don't get to

> I'd firstly say y=1 is the goal (the language is basically complete; you can add more around the edges, Not your functions, not your plane, you don't get to define parameters. > starting off awful and rapidly turning into a giant blob of band-aids :P PHP has been completely rewritten at least twice. > everything else is more productive after the initial setup hurdle~ Can you give a single example of something in Python that introduces greater productivity than PHP? > and in all three cases other languages have done them better > so I'm not sure why PHP having them since 2005 is supposed to be a good sign... Now you're just being a pedant. The point is that it isn't 2005 and it's not 1978. It's 2012. Talking about what the capabilities of a language were almost a decade ago is useless.