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The latest batch of chinese EV looks really excellent, with exciting and practical vehicles at incredible prices. I’m afraid the whole European car industry is

The latest batch of chinese EV looks really excellent, with exciting and practical vehicles at incredible prices. I’m afraid the whole European car industry is going to get nokiaed. Maybe not on our home market due to protectionism but abroad I don’t see why someone would buy a renault when you can buy this

CalRobert 2y ago
Volkswagen got what they asked for and it will be their undoing. More lung disease and kindercrusher SUV's for all!
- fvdessen 2y ago
  It’s not just VW, there aren’t many companies and countries that are able to compete with China when it comes to manufacturing commodity products
  - CalRobert 2y ago
    True, but vw’s kicking and screaming against electrification has only doomed them. I’m sure typewriter companies would welcome tariffs on computers too.
- Neonlicht 2y ago
  Ironically it was the Chinese market that saved the Germans in the 1990s.
lm28469 2y ago
Renault makes the vast majority of its money in Europe anyways: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1129046/revenue-by-region-renault-group/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1129046/revenue-by-regio... Cheap EVs are good, I personally don't care if they're american, european or asian. Europe could do it instead of focusing on 40k+ euros gadget bloated piece of shit that nobody can afford
- bb123 2y ago
  The Peugeot e-208 starts at £22k and you can pick up one thats less than 2 years old for about £10k. The idea that there aren't any affordable EVs hasn't been true for years.
  - Hamuko 2y ago
    I'm seeing the e-208 start at £29950. The only one that even comes close to 22k is the petrol one at 23.7k.
  - pantalaimon 2y ago
    When I search for it I find a starting price at 36,325 € - is it really that much cheaper in the UK?
    - yurishimo 2y ago
      UK wages are also lower than half~ of western europe, especially when you venture outside of London.
  - flakeoil 2y ago
    Why would the EU introduce import tariffs then?
  - arethuza 2y ago
    From what I can see the lowest cost 208 is petrol - which is ~£23K and the electric models start at ~£30K. https://offers.peugeot.co.uk/choose-your-peugeot/configure-208-and-e-208/allure https://offers.peugeot.co.uk/choose-your-peugeot/configure-2...
  - lm28469 2y ago
    My dad's regular 208 (new, a few years ago) was <10k euros after they took his old beater 22k is a lot of money
gokhan 2y ago
EU car industry is toast as it's already being protected by tariffs starting today. This will hit other, relatively healthier, industries as China retalliates with its own tariffs. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-slaps-tariffs-chinese-evs-risking-beijing-payback-2024-10-29/#:~:text=BRUSSELS%2C%20Oct%2029%20(Reuters),and%20prompted%20retaliation%20from%20Beijing https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-sla...
- pantalaimon 2y ago
  If China enacts tariffs on European dairy and pork, that would actually be good for the environment. Those are also heavily subsidized in the EU to the point that they are usually cheaper than plant based alternatives
  - fvdessen 2y ago
    We’ll get farmer riots and extreme right governments who on top of being racist have extremely self destructive economic programs
yourusername 2y ago
The EU did it to theirselves. The manufacturers keep pushing 50k+ euro SUVs while ignoring customers that can only afford something like a seagull. The EU destroyed the domestic market by mandating more and more "safety" features so that you can't make a affordable car anymore.

CalRobert 2y ago

Volkswagen got what they asked for and it will be their undoing. More lung disease and kindercrusher SUV's for all!

fvdessen 2y ago
It’s not just VW, there aren’t many companies and countries that are able to compete with China when it comes to manufacturing commodity products
- CalRobert 2y ago
  True, but vw’s kicking and screaming against electrification has only doomed them. I’m sure typewriter companies would welcome tariffs on computers too.
Neonlicht 2y ago
Ironically it was the Chinese market that saved the Germans in the 1990s.

lm28469 2y ago

Renault makes the vast majority of its money in Europe anyways: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1129046/revenue-by-region-renault-group/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1129046/revenue-by-regio... Cheap EVs are good, I personally don't care if they're american, european or asian. Europe could do it instead of focusing on 40k+ euros gadget bloated piece of shit that nobody can afford

bb123 2y ago
The Peugeot e-208 starts at £22k and you can pick up one thats less than 2 years old for about £10k. The idea that there aren't any affordable EVs hasn't been true for years.
- Hamuko 2y ago
  I'm seeing the e-208 start at £29950. The only one that even comes close to 22k is the petrol one at 23.7k.
- pantalaimon 2y ago
  When I search for it I find a starting price at 36,325 € - is it really that much cheaper in the UK?
  - yurishimo 2y ago
    UK wages are also lower than half~ of western europe, especially when you venture outside of London.
- flakeoil 2y ago
  Why would the EU introduce import tariffs then?
- arethuza 2y ago
  From what I can see the lowest cost 208 is petrol - which is ~£23K and the electric models start at ~£30K. https://offers.peugeot.co.uk/choose-your-peugeot/configure-208-and-e-208/allure https://offers.peugeot.co.uk/choose-your-peugeot/configure-2...
- lm28469 2y ago
  My dad's regular 208 (new, a few years ago) was <10k euros after they took his old beater 22k is a lot of money

gokhan 2y ago

EU car industry is toast as it's already being protected by tariffs starting today. This will hit other, relatively healthier, industries as China retalliates with its own tariffs. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-slaps-tariffs-chinese-evs-risking-beijing-payback-2024-10-29/#:~:text=BRUSSELS%2C%20Oct%2029%20(Reuters),and%20prompted%20retaliation%20from%20Beijing https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-sla...

pantalaimon 2y ago
If China enacts tariffs on European dairy and pork, that would actually be good for the environment. Those are also heavily subsidized in the EU to the point that they are usually cheaper than plant based alternatives
- fvdessen 2y ago
  We’ll get farmer riots and extreme right governments who on top of being racist have extremely self destructive economic programs

yourusername 2y ago

The EU did it to theirselves. The manufacturers keep pushing 50k+ euro SUVs while ignoring customers that can only afford something like a seagull. The EU destroyed the domestic market by mandating more and more "safety" features so that you can't make a affordable car anymore.