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I think "no jaywalking because safety" would make more sense if crosswalks were totally safe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in NY, can't traffic move over crossw

I think "no jaywalking because safety" would make more sense if crosswalks were totally safe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in NY, can't traffic move over crosswalks even against traffic lights, in some circumstances? I always find that confusing-and frightening!

tsimionescu 2y ago
In certain parts of the USA, cars are allowed to turn right from the first lane even on a red light, unless there is some explicit sign prohibiting it in that intersection.
- fragmede 2y ago
  Unless expressly prohibited, eg by said sign, right-turn-on-red defaults to being legal across vthe US.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    Not entirely. Right-on-red is by default illegal in NYC, and will be soon in DC and Atlanta. Also a good number of states prohibit right-on-red by default when the red light is in the shape of an arrow.
  - ssl-3 2y ago
    Unless I'm missing something: Defining traffic laws is something that the states do on their own, and these aren't things that the federal government generally gets involved with. Thus, there are 50 different sets of these laws, plus DC. Any similarities between them may be nothing more than incidental.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      Sorta. > The Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975 required in §362(c)(5) that in order for a state to receive federal assistance in developing mandated conservation programs, they must permit right turns on red lights. All 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico have allowed right turns on red since 1980, except where prohibited by a sign or where right turns are controlled by dedicated traffic lights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_on_red?#North_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_on_red?#North_America
      - ssl-3 2y ago
        I know. I was even alive and aware when Sammy Hagar's "I can't drive 55" was published. Can you explain more of which part of anything about WTF you're going on about? [Please don't hold back. I hope you don't mind much, but sometimes I get off pretty spontaneously when other people go digging in my shit.]
        fragmede 2y ago
        I was responding to > Any similarities between them may be nothing more than incidental. Due to the 1970's fuel crisis, the Federal government flexed it's power and threatened to withhold money from states if they did not adopt Right Turn On Red (RTOR), thus it seems that the commonality between states with respect to RTOR might be more than incidental. (Also, your original comment was easier to understand.)
  - nobody9999 2y ago
    >Unless expressly prohibited, eg by said sign, right-turn-on-red defaults to being legal across vthe US. It is exactly the opposite within the confines of New York City[0], where right on red is expressly prohibited, unless a sign says otherwise. [0] https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/ssi09_rightonred.pdf https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/ssi09_rightonred....
- leptons 2y ago
  Yes, and in that case the car has to yield to the pedestrian, if the pedestrian has the right of way. It's really very simple, and in every basic driving test.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    The problem is the driver is likely looking to the left to see if it's safe to quickly pull out and not bother looking to their right for that pedestrian stepping out into the intersection. I've been lightly hit a few times because of people like that. I've also almost been hit by people ignoring the stop line and stopping abruptly in the crosswalk area immediately in front of me.
    - leptons 2y ago
      The laws are clear about this. If the crosswalk has a crossing indicator, allowing people to cross, then the people have the right of way. It doesn't matter what the person in the car is wanting to do, they must yield to pedestrians. If they hit a pedestrian, then it's clearly the driver's fault. If a pedestrian crosses outside of a crosswalk (a distance away from a crosswalk), they are supposed to yield to oncoming cars. If they don't and the pedestrian gets hit by a car, it's the pedestrian's fault. Got it?
      - Novosell 2y ago
        Cemeteries are filled with people who had the right of way. The person you're responding to didn't mention legality, they said it was a "problem".
wahern 2y ago
New York City is actually one of the few US jurisdictions that DO NOT permit right turns on red as a default rule.

tsimionescu 2y ago

In certain parts of the USA, cars are allowed to turn right from the first lane even on a red light, unless there is some explicit sign prohibiting it in that intersection.

fragmede 2y ago
Unless expressly prohibited, eg by said sign, right-turn-on-red defaults to being legal across vthe US.
- kube-system 2y ago
  Not entirely. Right-on-red is by default illegal in NYC, and will be soon in DC and Atlanta. Also a good number of states prohibit right-on-red by default when the red light is in the shape of an arrow.
- ssl-3 2y ago
  Unless I'm missing something: Defining traffic laws is something that the states do on their own, and these aren't things that the federal government generally gets involved with. Thus, there are 50 different sets of these laws, plus DC. Any similarities between them may be nothing more than incidental.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    Sorta. > The Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975 required in §362(c)(5) that in order for a state to receive federal assistance in developing mandated conservation programs, they must permit right turns on red lights. All 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, and Puerto Rico have allowed right turns on red since 1980, except where prohibited by a sign or where right turns are controlled by dedicated traffic lights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_on_red?#North_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_on_red?#North_America
    - ssl-3 2y ago
      I know. I was even alive and aware when Sammy Hagar's "I can't drive 55" was published. Can you explain more of which part of anything about WTF you're going on about? [Please don't hold back. I hope you don't mind much, but sometimes I get off pretty spontaneously when other people go digging in my shit.]
      - fragmede 2y ago
        I was responding to > Any similarities between them may be nothing more than incidental. Due to the 1970's fuel crisis, the Federal government flexed it's power and threatened to withhold money from states if they did not adopt Right Turn On Red (RTOR), thus it seems that the commonality between states with respect to RTOR might be more than incidental. (Also, your original comment was easier to understand.)
- nobody9999 2y ago
  >Unless expressly prohibited, eg by said sign, right-turn-on-red defaults to being legal across vthe US. It is exactly the opposite within the confines of New York City[0], where right on red is expressly prohibited, unless a sign says otherwise. [0] https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/ssi09_rightonred.pdf https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/ssi09_rightonred....
leptons 2y ago
Yes, and in that case the car has to yield to the pedestrian, if the pedestrian has the right of way. It's really very simple, and in every basic driving test.
- vel0city 2y ago
  The problem is the driver is likely looking to the left to see if it's safe to quickly pull out and not bother looking to their right for that pedestrian stepping out into the intersection. I've been lightly hit a few times because of people like that. I've also almost been hit by people ignoring the stop line and stopping abruptly in the crosswalk area immediately in front of me.
  - leptons 2y ago
    The laws are clear about this. If the crosswalk has a crossing indicator, allowing people to cross, then the people have the right of way. It doesn't matter what the person in the car is wanting to do, they must yield to pedestrians. If they hit a pedestrian, then it's clearly the driver's fault. If a pedestrian crosses outside of a crosswalk (a distance away from a crosswalk), they are supposed to yield to oncoming cars. If they don't and the pedestrian gets hit by a car, it's the pedestrian's fault. Got it?
    - Novosell 2y ago
      Cemeteries are filled with people who had the right of way. The person you're responding to didn't mention legality, they said it was a "problem".

wahern 2y ago

New York City is actually one of the few US jurisdictions that DO NOT permit right turns on red as a default rule.