These also had discussions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4679939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4679939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=343

These also had discussions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4679939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4679939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34339459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34339459