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Halloween has always been a feast at the end of the harvest season. The weather changes around now. Its the end of Autumn for us, the start of Winter. There's b

Halloween has always been a feast at the end of the harvest season. The weather changes around now. Its the end of Autumn for us, the start of Winter. There's berries and nuts etc. It was always going to be a massive party. I really doubt the coming of Christianity changed it in any significant way. The bonfires and wildness of the night are still there, its always been a night were the rules seem looser.

throw0101d 2y ago
> Halloween has always been a feast at the end of the harvest season. [citation needed] Because the weblog goes to primary sources (amongst others) and finds that: > The Félire Óengusso or “Martyrology of Óengus” is another martyrology, attributed to Saint Óengus of Tallaght. It seems to date to the ninth century and is based on earlier English martyrologies (like that of Bede), but with significant local Irish additions. It mentions a feast of All Saints in its listing for April 20: > Under November 1, on the other hand, we do find – finally – a reference to “Samhain”. But it is not associated with commemorating All Saints, but rather with three Irish saints only: > So while the English were already celebrating All Saints Day on November 1 in the eighth century and that date became predominant in Frankia by the mid ninth century, the Irish were doing so on April 20, with “stormy Samain” the feast of three local holy men only. As esteemed historian of folklore, Ronald Hutton, summarises it in his Stations Of The Sun (Oxford, 1996): […] > For Frazer, Samhain had been nothing less than the pagan Celtic feast of the dead. Like Rhys, he saw it as marking the death of the old year and also as a numinous time when the supernatural was abroad. But he argued that it was common for many cultures to honour their dead at the close of the year and so argued that the Christian feasts of All Saints and All Souls on November 1 and 2 had to have their origins in this posited earlier Celtic festival. Of course, this is based on the idea that All Saints began in Ireland and the Celtic tradition and transferred to the rest of Europe. But, as discussed above, this does not seem to be the case, with the earlier Irish celebration of All Saints (April 20) giving way to the date established in Frankia in the ninth century (November 1). Frazer got the influence completely the wrong way around.
AStonesThrow 2y ago
> the coming of Christianity changed it in any significant way. The 95 Theses changed it in a huge way in 1517. Recall that many Protestants don't believe in saints at all!
anon291 2y ago
Halloween, in the sense of the eve of all saints, is after Easter in the eastern churches, which is the 'old' date but was changed to coincide with the day that the poe consecrated the Pantheon as a Christian church (the Pantheon having used to be a temple to all gods, is now dedicated to all saints).
User23 2y ago
The bonfires are a Catholic thing dating to when they were outlawed in England. They couldn’t light candles in churches so they lit bonfires in fields instead.

throw0101d 2y ago

> Halloween has always been a feast at the end of the harvest season. [citation needed] Because the weblog goes to primary sources (amongst others) and finds that: > The Félire Óengusso or “Martyrology of Óengus” is another martyrology, attributed to Saint Óengus of Tallaght. It seems to date to the ninth century and is based on earlier English martyrologies (like that of Bede), but with significant local Irish additions. It mentions a feast of All Saints in its listing for April 20: > Under November 1, on the other hand, we do find – finally – a reference to “Samhain”. But it is not associated with commemorating All Saints, but rather with three Irish saints only: > So while the English were already celebrating All Saints Day on November 1 in the eighth century and that date became predominant in Frankia by the mid ninth century, the Irish were doing so on April 20, with “stormy Samain” the feast of three local holy men only. As esteemed historian of folklore, Ronald Hutton, summarises it in his Stations Of The Sun (Oxford, 1996): […] > For Frazer, Samhain had been nothing less than the pagan Celtic feast of the dead. Like Rhys, he saw it as marking the death of the old year and also as a numinous time when the supernatural was abroad. But he argued that it was common for many cultures to honour their dead at the close of the year and so argued that the Christian feasts of All Saints and All Souls on November 1 and 2 had to have their origins in this posited earlier Celtic festival. Of course, this is based on the idea that All Saints began in Ireland and the Celtic tradition and transferred to the rest of Europe. But, as discussed above, this does not seem to be the case, with the earlier Irish celebration of All Saints (April 20) giving way to the date established in Frankia in the ninth century (November 1). Frazer got the influence completely the wrong way around.

AStonesThrow 2y ago

> the coming of Christianity changed it in any significant way. The 95 Theses changed it in a huge way in 1517. Recall that many Protestants don't believe in saints at all!

anon291 2y ago

Halloween, in the sense of the eve of all saints, is after Easter in the eastern churches, which is the 'old' date but was changed to coincide with the day that the poe consecrated the Pantheon as a Christian church (the Pantheon having used to be a temple to all gods, is now dedicated to all saints).

User23 2y ago

The bonfires are a Catholic thing dating to when they were outlawed in England. They couldn’t light candles in churches so they lit bonfires in fields instead.