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The drumbeat against the 1st Amendment (Hillary, Kerry, news pundits...). They're all talking about how "problematic" and "constraining" the first amendment is,

The drumbeat against the 1st Amendment (Hillary, Kerry, news pundits...). They're all talking about how "problematic" and "constraining" the first amendment is, and how it "gets in their way" to govern because they can't control the narrative. They seem to be missing the irony in their complaints; the constraint is intended upon those doing the governing.

jauntywundrkind 2y ago
Can you link any examples of democrats saying anything anything like that? This seems wildly unsupported to me. Reps like Ron Wyden are a constant source of intelligence & level headedness & competence around speech & online systems, in my view.
- slowmovintarget 2y ago
  Here's John Kerry at the World Economic Forum a few weeks back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3Ka7dMVmk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3Ka7dMVmk
  - cherry_tree 2y ago
    Hes seems to be describing why misinformation is more of a challenge for democratic governments to combat than for non-democratic governments, it’s weird that they edited out the question, hard to understand the context of the answer. Transcript: John Kerry: And I think the the dislike of and anguish over social media is just growing and growing and growing. And it's part of our problem, particularly in democracies, in terms of building consensus around any issue. It's really hard to govern today. You can't, you know, there's no, the referees we used to have to determine what's a fact and what isn't a fact, the kind of, you know, been eviscerated to a certain degree. And, people go, people self-select where they go for their news or for their information, and then you just get into a vicious cycle. So it's really, really hard, much harder to build consensus today than at any time in the 45, 50 years I've been involved in this. And, and, you know, there's a lot of discussion now about how you curb those entities, in order to guarantee that you're going to have, you know, some accountability on facts, etc.. But look, if people go to only one source and the source they go to is sick and, you know, has an agenda and they're putting out disinformation, our First Amendment stands as a major block to the ability to be able to just, you know, hammer it out of existence. So what you need, what we need is to, is to win the ground, win the right to govern by hopefully having, you know, winning enough votes that you're free to be able to, to, implement change. Now, obviously, there are some people in our country who are prepared to implement change in other ways. And . . . Børge Brende: So you're questioning, really, for [if] democracy can survive unregulated social media? John Kerry: I think democracies are, are very challenged right now and have not proven they can move fast enough or big enough to deal with the challenges that we are facing. And to me, that is part of what this race, this, this election is all about. Will we break the fever in the United States?

jauntywundrkind 2y ago

Can you link any examples of democrats saying anything anything like that? This seems wildly unsupported to me. Reps like Ron Wyden are a constant source of intelligence & level headedness & competence around speech & online systems, in my view.

slowmovintarget 2y ago
Here's John Kerry at the World Economic Forum a few weeks back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3Ka7dMVmk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3Ka7dMVmk
- cherry_tree 2y ago
  Hes seems to be describing why misinformation is more of a challenge for democratic governments to combat than for non-democratic governments, it’s weird that they edited out the question, hard to understand the context of the answer. Transcript: John Kerry: And I think the the dislike of and anguish over social media is just growing and growing and growing. And it's part of our problem, particularly in democracies, in terms of building consensus around any issue. It's really hard to govern today. You can't, you know, there's no, the referees we used to have to determine what's a fact and what isn't a fact, the kind of, you know, been eviscerated to a certain degree. And, people go, people self-select where they go for their news or for their information, and then you just get into a vicious cycle. So it's really, really hard, much harder to build consensus today than at any time in the 45, 50 years I've been involved in this. And, and, you know, there's a lot of discussion now about how you curb those entities, in order to guarantee that you're going to have, you know, some accountability on facts, etc.. But look, if people go to only one source and the source they go to is sick and, you know, has an agenda and they're putting out disinformation, our First Amendment stands as a major block to the ability to be able to just, you know, hammer it out of existence. So what you need, what we need is to, is to win the ground, win the right to govern by hopefully having, you know, winning enough votes that you're free to be able to, to, implement change. Now, obviously, there are some people in our country who are prepared to implement change in other ways. And . . . Børge Brende: So you're questioning, really, for [if] democracy can survive unregulated social media? John Kerry: I think democracies are, are very challenged right now and have not proven they can move fast enough or big enough to deal with the challenges that we are facing. And to me, that is part of what this race, this, this election is all about. Will we break the fever in the United States?