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Omnivore Is Joining ElevenLabs

103 points by janpio 2y ago

andreagrandi 2y ago
Thanks for making the code base open source
xz18r 2y ago
I was already wondering why development on Omnivore was halted… This isn’t good news at all for Omnivore users. It made me legitimately consider switching away from my self-hosted Wallabag instance because everything looked so sleek and promising; in terms of read-it-later apps, it really held the promise of the big next thing (as far as that can apply to such a “simple” category). I’m not sure if articles read aloud is the thing that Omnivore users are looking for, per se. Ah well, they’ll know why they did it… On a side note: > All Omnivore users will be able to export their information from the service through November 15 2024, after which all information will be deleted. Just me or is that extremely short notice? That’s in 2 weeks…
- theschmed 2y ago
  > Just me or is that extremely short notice? That’s in 2 weeks… It is not just you.
- a20eac1d 2y ago
  The internet is volatile and it has happened multiple times that a page I have saved to read later has disappeared. Do you have any good recommendations for self hosted services that allow me to save a link and have an archived copy of the website saved to disk? So far, I've tried Wallabag, Linkwarden and Archivebox but I feel like they don't quite work the way I want to. What are you experiences with this?
  - g_p 2y ago
    Readeck saves an archived copy of the links you save (where it can). From their docs, "Every bookmark is stored in a single, immutable, ZIP file. Parts of this file (HTML content, images, etc.) are directly served by the application or converted to a web page or an e-book when needed." https://codeberg.org/readeck/readeck https://codeberg.org/readeck/readeck
  - DavideNL 2y ago
    > What are you experiences with this? You might want to try SingleFile, i often use it and it's really good in my opinion: https://github.com/gildas-lormeau/SingleFile https://github.com/gildas-lormeau/SingleFile https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/single-file/?utm_content=addons-manager-reviews-link https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/single-file/?... PS. I sync the particular folder i download to across my devices with "Syncthing" by the way.
dod9er 2y ago
Too bad... I also really liked it and used. Seems like I go for wallabag again. Maybe it will be possible to selfhost omnivore at some point in time ?!
- qw3rty01 2y ago
  It already has a self-hosting option: https://github.com/omnivore-app/omnivore/tree/main/self-hosting https://github.com/omnivore-app/omnivore/tree/main/self-host... It's just not documented well.
  - thylacine222 2y ago
    It's not a great self-hosting option, tbh, depends on a lot of Google services and the support for it in the apps can be finicky.
    - xz18r 2y ago
      The license allows forking, become a hero!
lxgr 2y ago
tl;dr: They got acqui-hired and are shutting the app and service down. Ugh, it was so good! Self-hosting it seems quite complicated, though. I really hope somebody will step up and offer a hosted version of it.
- dod9er 2y ago
  Yes, just as it is right now I would love a cheap alternative. No need for fancy speech or AI features from my Side. Do one thing and do it good...
  - theshrike79 2y ago
    Wallabag seems to be 11€/year: https://www.wallabag.it/en https://www.wallabag.it/en
    - NylaTheWolf 2y ago
      11€ for an entire year is honestly a steal!
- guptarohit 2y ago
  why good things don't last longer.
raybb 2y ago
Ugh anyone have a rundown of how good the parsing is on wallabag vs instapaper vs pocket (or something else)?
- darthwalsh 2y ago
  I had been using Pocket until a few months ago, and pocket's parser was a little better. It wouldn't choke on GitHub repos, for example. But both would miss significant article content :/
thylacine222 2y ago
this really sucks, it's by far the best reader app out there. Hoping that people will be able to figure out a straightforward way to do self-hosting, because I would be willing to use the app as it is right now forever.
- 0x6c6f6c 2y ago
  Except on Android, where you couldn't even tag saved articles. I noticed development had stopped weeks ago. Sort of figured something like this was going to happen. Unfortunate, but I'll be happy on Wallabag again. I'd been just waiting for a push to do migrate back.
  - thylacine222 2y ago
    I seem to be able to tag articles, do you not have an "Edit Labels" option in the article menu? Regardless, they definitely were lagging on Android development, but it was still finished enough to use it. There's even a version that supports pagination: https://github.com/tent4kel/omnivore/releases/ https://github.com/tent4kel/omnivore/releases/
    - 0x6c6f6c 2y ago
      When you're actually creating an entry via the share prompt there are no options at all unlike the browser extension (for Android at least) So yeah, you can tag it.. if you exit your current app, find Omnivore in your launcher, open the app, find the entry you just made, then edit it, then add tags.. but that's a terrible UX.
      - thylacine222 2y ago
        Ah yeah, the share dialog is really basic, I ended up using Firefox and installing the full extension when I wanted to save pages (also allows you to save pages from places you're logged into)
Carbon1603 2y ago
So, where to go next?
- paulmorabito 2y ago
  I'd love an easier self hosted option too. In the meantime, if you are in the Apple world then Goodlinks is a privacy friendly option for saving articles to read later. I haven't found a decent alternative that can add articles via email like Omnivore. My workaround is to get the RSS link from Substack and add these to my RSS reader that I self host (FreshRSS).
  - samantha-wiki 2y ago
    I’m looking into migrating to FreshRSS from omnivore now. Does [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/165nnk6/comment/jyf0mn8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/165nnk6/comment...) solve the email ingestion issue for you?
    - paulmorabito 2y ago
      I've heard of this but didn't use it because all of my email newsletters are on substack and substack supports RSS. Also, with substack RSS, you get a feed per newsletter whereas Kill The Newsletter gives you one feed for all newsletters going to their address.
  - tetrisgm 2y ago
    Feed in gives you an email address for newsletters
- kirso 2y ago
  Raindrop, Obsidian web clipper, notion web clipper, Readwise
- lawgimenez 2y ago
  I am using Reeder 5 for RIL.
jamil7 2y ago
I built and ran a read it later app in the iOS app store for a few years as a side project. I found it pretty difficult to monetise and the support burden got to me. I eventually just pulled it from the store as I was getting emails and reviews and felt I couldn’t really give it the attention it needed. I saw quite a few competitors coming and going over the years, either through acquisitions or developers just losing interest. It seems like a difficult thing to make work sustainably.
darrmit 2y ago
Ugh this is the only read-it-later service I ever found that "stuck". It was so simple and good. This sucks.
- cstuder 2y ago
  I came from Instapaper after their price hike to Omnivore and went back to Instapaper. I felt that Omnivore was over-complicated with their "every folder is a filter" structure. Instapaper feels much more straightforward.
  - darrmit 2y ago
    I did the same and will likely end up back with Instapaper. Omnivore’s export leaves a lot to be desired, though. Trying to find a script that will give me something usable to import.
- chanux 2y ago
  I too really liked Omnivore. Looking for an alternative that'll just take care of the newsletter aspect as that was my #1 use case. Interestingly, SevenReader (or is it Eleven? :D) is the one I really don't even want to consider.
bberenberg 2y ago
For what it’s worth I’ve contacted them to see if they would be open to handing over the hosted version. The current answer is no, based in part on wanting to delete user data. I suggested I could take it without data and users could reimport their data post handover. If you’d like to see this happen send them an email and voice your support.
freeqaz 2y ago
Damn they're giving under 3 weeks to export before you lose all of your data? That's insane! If I were on an extended vacation and missed this, my data would be gone when I get back. They _really_ should increase that to be longer! Switch to read-only, but give at least 3-6 months to export. That's crazy otherwise
- lfarquad 2y ago
  “Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.”
petemir 2y ago
I have not tested them yet, but (actually) self-hosted potential alternatives: linkwarden [0], hoarder [1] [0] https://github.com/linkwarden/linkwarden https://github.com/linkwarden/linkwarden [1] https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder Edit: fixed wording
- deleted 2y ago
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dmje 2y ago
I use Raindrop[0] for all bookmarks and have flirted with Omnivore and Wallabag over the years. But I always come back to just using Raindrop and "Unsorted" for my read-it-laters. I've got a feed into Reeder from here which works well too. At the end of the day a likely next step after reading something is to want to bookmark it so this workflow works well for me. [0] https://raindrop.io/ https://raindrop.io/
- avinassh 2y ago
  I love one Raindrop’s feature where it lets you bookmark all the tabs in a window
bsnnkv 2y ago
After many years wasted on RIL apps, probably one of the best lifestyle changes I made was to adopt a "read it now or read it never" (RINORIN) approach[1]. I'm still very happy with RINORIN + archiving the interesting bits of what I read in the moment[2]. [1]: "If it's not immediately interesting enough for me to read when I see it, I just let it ago, trusting that if it's important enough, I'll be exposed to it again sooner or later, and at that point it'll be interesting enough for me to read it when I see it." (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38355803 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38355803) [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41697228 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41697228
novoreorx 2y ago
Is there any chance that Omnivore's features will be shipped to ElevenReader?
Than3s 2y ago
What would be your recommendation for best parsing? I've found Omnivore really reliable, definitely much better than Readwise Reader (which can't even show Youtube videos in article afaik)
Phlogi 2y ago
Here is a script to convert your exported omnivore into an importable wallabag format: https://gist.github.com/Phlogi/f96a5ca0d65d5264df1fe636a8aac652 https://gist.github.com/Phlogi/f96a5ca0d65d5264df1fe636a8aac...
raindropm 2y ago
Great, and I just recently move from Pocket a couple of months ago because I love how clean Omnivore is. Seems you can't escape the impermanence of digital life, so certain that it even rival death and taxes.

103 points by janpio 2y ago

Thanks for making the code base open source

I was already wondering why development on Omnivore was halted… This isn’t good news at all for Omnivore users. It made me legitimately consider switching away from my self-hosted Wallabag instance because everything looked so sleek and promising; in terms of read-it-later apps, it really held the promise of the big next thing (as far as that can apply to such a “simple” category). I’m not sure if articles read aloud is the thing that Omnivore users are looking for, per se. Ah well, they’ll know why they did it… On a side note: > All Omnivore users will be able to export their information from the service through November 15 2024, after which all information will be deleted. Just me or is that extremely short notice? That’s in 2 weeks…

theschmed 2y ago
> Just me or is that extremely short notice? That’s in 2 weeks… It is not just you.
a20eac1d 2y ago
The internet is volatile and it has happened multiple times that a page I have saved to read later has disappeared. Do you have any good recommendations for self hosted services that allow me to save a link and have an archived copy of the website saved to disk? So far, I've tried Wallabag, Linkwarden and Archivebox but I feel like they don't quite work the way I want to. What are you experiences with this?
- g_p 2y ago
  Readeck saves an archived copy of the links you save (where it can). From their docs, "Every bookmark is stored in a single, immutable, ZIP file. Parts of this file (HTML content, images, etc.) are directly served by the application or converted to a web page or an e-book when needed." https://codeberg.org/readeck/readeck https://codeberg.org/readeck/readeck
- DavideNL 2y ago
  > What are you experiences with this? You might want to try SingleFile, i often use it and it's really good in my opinion: https://github.com/gildas-lormeau/SingleFile https://github.com/gildas-lormeau/SingleFile https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/single-file/?utm_content=addons-manager-reviews-link https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/single-file/?... PS. I sync the particular folder i download to across my devices with "Syncthing" by the way.

dod9er 2y ago

Too bad... I also really liked it and used. Seems like I go for wallabag again. Maybe it will be possible to selfhost omnivore at some point in time ?!

qw3rty01 2y ago
It already has a self-hosting option: https://github.com/omnivore-app/omnivore/tree/main/self-hosting https://github.com/omnivore-app/omnivore/tree/main/self-host... It's just not documented well.
- thylacine222 2y ago
  It's not a great self-hosting option, tbh, depends on a lot of Google services and the support for it in the apps can be finicky.
  - xz18r 2y ago
    The license allows forking, become a hero!

lxgr 2y ago

tl;dr: They got acqui-hired and are shutting the app and service down. Ugh, it was so good! Self-hosting it seems quite complicated, though. I really hope somebody will step up and offer a hosted version of it.

dod9er 2y ago
Yes, just as it is right now I would love a cheap alternative. No need for fancy speech or AI features from my Side. Do one thing and do it good...
- theshrike79 2y ago
  Wallabag seems to be 11€/year: https://www.wallabag.it/en https://www.wallabag.it/en
  - NylaTheWolf 2y ago
    11€ for an entire year is honestly a steal!
guptarohit 2y ago
why good things don't last longer.

raybb 2y ago

Ugh anyone have a rundown of how good the parsing is on wallabag vs instapaper vs pocket (or something else)?

darthwalsh 2y ago
I had been using Pocket until a few months ago, and pocket's parser was a little better. It wouldn't choke on GitHub repos, for example. But both would miss significant article content :/

thylacine222 2y ago

this really sucks, it's by far the best reader app out there. Hoping that people will be able to figure out a straightforward way to do self-hosting, because I would be willing to use the app as it is right now forever.

0x6c6f6c 2y ago
Except on Android, where you couldn't even tag saved articles. I noticed development had stopped weeks ago. Sort of figured something like this was going to happen. Unfortunate, but I'll be happy on Wallabag again. I'd been just waiting for a push to do migrate back.
- thylacine222 2y ago
  I seem to be able to tag articles, do you not have an "Edit Labels" option in the article menu? Regardless, they definitely were lagging on Android development, but it was still finished enough to use it. There's even a version that supports pagination: https://github.com/tent4kel/omnivore/releases/ https://github.com/tent4kel/omnivore/releases/
  - 0x6c6f6c 2y ago
    When you're actually creating an entry via the share prompt there are no options at all unlike the browser extension (for Android at least) So yeah, you can tag it.. if you exit your current app, find Omnivore in your launcher, open the app, find the entry you just made, then edit it, then add tags.. but that's a terrible UX.
    - thylacine222 2y ago
      Ah yeah, the share dialog is really basic, I ended up using Firefox and installing the full extension when I wanted to save pages (also allows you to save pages from places you're logged into)

Carbon1603 2y ago

So, where to go next?

paulmorabito 2y ago
I'd love an easier self hosted option too. In the meantime, if you are in the Apple world then Goodlinks is a privacy friendly option for saving articles to read later. I haven't found a decent alternative that can add articles via email like Omnivore. My workaround is to get the RSS link from Substack and add these to my RSS reader that I self host (FreshRSS).
- samantha-wiki 2y ago
  I’m looking into migrating to FreshRSS from omnivore now. Does [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/165nnk6/comment/jyf0mn8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/165nnk6/comment...) solve the email ingestion issue for you?
  - paulmorabito 2y ago
    I've heard of this but didn't use it because all of my email newsletters are on substack and substack supports RSS. Also, with substack RSS, you get a feed per newsletter whereas Kill The Newsletter gives you one feed for all newsletters going to their address.
- tetrisgm 2y ago
  Feed in gives you an email address for newsletters
kirso 2y ago
Raindrop, Obsidian web clipper, notion web clipper, Readwise
lawgimenez 2y ago
I am using Reeder 5 for RIL.

jamil7 2y ago

I built and ran a read it later app in the iOS app store for a few years as a side project. I found it pretty difficult to monetise and the support burden got to me. I eventually just pulled it from the store as I was getting emails and reviews and felt I couldn’t really give it the attention it needed. I saw quite a few competitors coming and going over the years, either through acquisitions or developers just losing interest. It seems like a difficult thing to make work sustainably.

darrmit 2y ago

Ugh this is the only read-it-later service I ever found that "stuck". It was so simple and good. This sucks.

cstuder 2y ago
I came from Instapaper after their price hike to Omnivore and went back to Instapaper. I felt that Omnivore was over-complicated with their "every folder is a filter" structure. Instapaper feels much more straightforward.
- darrmit 2y ago
  I did the same and will likely end up back with Instapaper. Omnivore’s export leaves a lot to be desired, though. Trying to find a script that will give me something usable to import.
chanux 2y ago
I too really liked Omnivore. Looking for an alternative that'll just take care of the newsletter aspect as that was my #1 use case. Interestingly, SevenReader (or is it Eleven? :D) is the one I really don't even want to consider.

bberenberg 2y ago

For what it’s worth I’ve contacted them to see if they would be open to handing over the hosted version. The current answer is no, based in part on wanting to delete user data. I suggested I could take it without data and users could reimport their data post handover. If you’d like to see this happen send them an email and voice your support.

freeqaz 2y ago

Damn they're giving under 3 weeks to export before you lose all of your data? That's insane! If I were on an extended vacation and missed this, my data would be gone when I get back. They _really_ should increase that to be longer! Switch to read-only, but give at least 3-6 months to export. That's crazy otherwise

lfarquad 2y ago
“Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.”

petemir 2y ago

I have not tested them yet, but (actually) self-hosted potential alternatives: linkwarden [0], hoarder [1] [0] https://github.com/linkwarden/linkwarden https://github.com/linkwarden/linkwarden [1] https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder Edit: fixed wording

deleted 2y ago
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dmje 2y ago

I use Raindrop[0] for all bookmarks and have flirted with Omnivore and Wallabag over the years. But I always come back to just using Raindrop and "Unsorted" for my read-it-laters. I've got a feed into Reeder from here which works well too. At the end of the day a likely next step after reading something is to want to bookmark it so this workflow works well for me. [0] https://raindrop.io/ https://raindrop.io/

avinassh 2y ago
I love one Raindrop’s feature where it lets you bookmark all the tabs in a window

bsnnkv 2y ago

After many years wasted on RIL apps, probably one of the best lifestyle changes I made was to adopt a "read it now or read it never" (RINORIN) approach[1]. I'm still very happy with RINORIN + archiving the interesting bits of what I read in the moment[2]. [1]: "If it's not immediately interesting enough for me to read when I see it, I just let it ago, trusting that if it's important enough, I'll be exposed to it again sooner or later, and at that point it'll be interesting enough for me to read it when I see it." (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38355803 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38355803) [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41697228 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41697228

novoreorx 2y ago

Is there any chance that Omnivore's features will be shipped to ElevenReader?

Than3s 2y ago

What would be your recommendation for best parsing? I've found Omnivore really reliable, definitely much better than Readwise Reader (which can't even show Youtube videos in article afaik)

Phlogi 2y ago

Here is a script to convert your exported omnivore into an importable wallabag format: https://gist.github.com/Phlogi/f96a5ca0d65d5264df1fe636a8aac652 https://gist.github.com/Phlogi/f96a5ca0d65d5264df1fe636a8aac...

raindropm 2y ago

Great, and I just recently move from Pocket a couple of months ago because I love how clean Omnivore is. Seems you can't escape the impermanence of digital life, so certain that it even rival death and taxes.