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Get rid of Windows on it! Digital Foundry put out a great video on this exact process the other day, weighing the pros and cons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v

Get rid of Windows on it! Digital Foundry put out a great video on this exact process the other day, weighing the pros and cons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwWRCrGoXV0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwWRCrGoXV0 Neither MacOS nor Windows are very good console OSes - you're really better off using Linux where anticheat isn't concerned. Even on the Ally.

diggan 2y ago
> Neither MacOS nor Windows are very good console OSes They're great OSes for consumers who don't really work on their computers, and just want something that caters to the lowest common denominator. For professionals who use computers for work, Linux is really the only option that doesn't eventually get in your way. You can set it up and leave it as-is, with only security updates, and everything keeps working the same way, basically forever. I've tried to set up an experience like that on both macOS and Windows, but eventually, the company will find a way of forcing an update on your, intentionally or not.
- philistine 2y ago
  Thank you so much for telling me that I am actually not managing my non-profit on my Mac. I was convinced I was working every day on a Mac in a business setting, but I guess I was mistaken.
- Veen 2y ago
  What does "work on their computer" mean to you? I suspect it's not what it means to the vast majority of people.
- 1propionyl 2y ago
  > For professionals who use computers for work, Linux is really the only option that doesn't eventually get in your way. I really hope you're not expecting anyone to take you seriously with this. On principle I get what you're saying but in practice no one who works as a professional in any field has the time (or expertise) to be worried about configuring their operating system. As a Linux evangelist who begrudgingly daily drives a Mac, this kind of attitude is what does us in. It's the cocksure "akshually Linux is best" even when it materially, experientially, just isn't. Denial is not a design ethos.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    I'll take him seriously on it. MacOS and Windows are terrible for professional purposes, for a number of reasons: 1. Requires Windows Pro or Apple Developer license to unlock full featureset 2. Cannot reasonably disable targeted advertising or ad data collection from either OS 3. Neither come with package managers and do not respect third-party packaging either 4. Can be "managed" insofar as your buggy CPM software allows, often glitched by the OS itself 5. The experience is always getting worse since Apple and Microsoft share a united front of making people spend as much money on useless shit as humanly possible Now, that's not to say nobody should use these OSes - certainly people are locked into them for some purposes. But as a programmer it's genuinely hard for me to be productive on these OSes because I end up fighting them just for everyday, non-programming purposes. I think it's entirely possible that MacOS and Windows can be inherently terrible experiences while also being mandatory for certain workflows.
    - _mlbt 2y ago
      I consider my usage of my Macs to be "professional." 1. An Apple Developer license is only required for distributing software in App Stores and notarizing. 2. I'm not sure what ads you're talking about in macOS. I've only ever seen them in the completely optional App Store. 3. Installing Homebrew is literally a one liner. I've never used it, but Macports appears to be similarly easy as an alternative. 4. I can't speak to this point, so I'll take your word for it. 5. I only started using macOS since the Apple Silicon era, but as far as I'm concerned the experience just keeps getting better and better. Every release of macOS has added features I enjoy and use constantly. Just the seamless integration between all of the Apple products in my house was worth switching from my previous mix of Windows, Linux, and Android.
  - skydhash 2y ago
    Most professionals use only a handful of software and don't really care about the OS other than what the OS should do (file management, connecting to the internet, launching software,...). Apple and Microsoft insists on doing other stuff that impedes you while not allowing you to do basic stuff you want. The main issue with Linux is hardware support (which no one other than the manufactures can solve properly) and professional development (The distributions are great, but monolithic development like FreeBSD would have been better). Linux is best because it lets you use your computer for whatever workflow you need.
- zamalek 2y ago
  This isn't really the case anymore, Linux (specifically SteamOS and its kin) serve the console-like market very well. Arguably better than Windows. Even for non-Gaming use cases this idea is a bit dated. Printing is by far the best experience on Linux. The "tweaking" that you need to do, that every Windows/MacOS user claims, isn't really a thing these days - sans NVIDIA (I'm not sure what the current status is, but it was bjorked somewhat recently). Sure, if you want to go beyond what Windows/MacOS can offer then tweaking my be required, but the current UIs are extremely comprehensive. I had a 80yr old lady up and running in one day with PopOS. If that's not lowest common denominator, I don't know what is. Professional work can be hit and miss. Depends on how draconian your workplace software is.
bee_rider 2y ago
They listed WoW, DotA and League of Legends—I’m guessing, but the last two seem likely to have anti-cheat issues, right?
- Mustachio 2y ago
  Vanguard AC is indeed incompatible with linux, but maybe that's for the better...

diggan 2y ago

> Neither MacOS nor Windows are very good console OSes They're great OSes for consumers who don't really work on their computers, and just want something that caters to the lowest common denominator. For professionals who use computers for work, Linux is really the only option that doesn't eventually get in your way. You can set it up and leave it as-is, with only security updates, and everything keeps working the same way, basically forever. I've tried to set up an experience like that on both macOS and Windows, but eventually, the company will find a way of forcing an update on your, intentionally or not.

philistine 2y ago
Thank you so much for telling me that I am actually not managing my non-profit on my Mac. I was convinced I was working every day on a Mac in a business setting, but I guess I was mistaken.
Veen 2y ago
What does "work on their computer" mean to you? I suspect it's not what it means to the vast majority of people.
1propionyl 2y ago
> For professionals who use computers for work, Linux is really the only option that doesn't eventually get in your way. I really hope you're not expecting anyone to take you seriously with this. On principle I get what you're saying but in practice no one who works as a professional in any field has the time (or expertise) to be worried about configuring their operating system. As a Linux evangelist who begrudgingly daily drives a Mac, this kind of attitude is what does us in. It's the cocksure "akshually Linux is best" even when it materially, experientially, just isn't. Denial is not a design ethos.
- talldayo 2y ago
  I'll take him seriously on it. MacOS and Windows are terrible for professional purposes, for a number of reasons: 1. Requires Windows Pro or Apple Developer license to unlock full featureset 2. Cannot reasonably disable targeted advertising or ad data collection from either OS 3. Neither come with package managers and do not respect third-party packaging either 4. Can be "managed" insofar as your buggy CPM software allows, often glitched by the OS itself 5. The experience is always getting worse since Apple and Microsoft share a united front of making people spend as much money on useless shit as humanly possible Now, that's not to say nobody should use these OSes - certainly people are locked into them for some purposes. But as a programmer it's genuinely hard for me to be productive on these OSes because I end up fighting them just for everyday, non-programming purposes. I think it's entirely possible that MacOS and Windows can be inherently terrible experiences while also being mandatory for certain workflows.
  - _mlbt 2y ago
    I consider my usage of my Macs to be "professional." 1. An Apple Developer license is only required for distributing software in App Stores and notarizing. 2. I'm not sure what ads you're talking about in macOS. I've only ever seen them in the completely optional App Store. 3. Installing Homebrew is literally a one liner. I've never used it, but Macports appears to be similarly easy as an alternative. 4. I can't speak to this point, so I'll take your word for it. 5. I only started using macOS since the Apple Silicon era, but as far as I'm concerned the experience just keeps getting better and better. Every release of macOS has added features I enjoy and use constantly. Just the seamless integration between all of the Apple products in my house was worth switching from my previous mix of Windows, Linux, and Android.
- skydhash 2y ago
  Most professionals use only a handful of software and don't really care about the OS other than what the OS should do (file management, connecting to the internet, launching software,...). Apple and Microsoft insists on doing other stuff that impedes you while not allowing you to do basic stuff you want. The main issue with Linux is hardware support (which no one other than the manufactures can solve properly) and professional development (The distributions are great, but monolithic development like FreeBSD would have been better). Linux is best because it lets you use your computer for whatever workflow you need.
zamalek 2y ago
This isn't really the case anymore, Linux (specifically SteamOS and its kin) serve the console-like market very well. Arguably better than Windows. Even for non-Gaming use cases this idea is a bit dated. Printing is by far the best experience on Linux. The "tweaking" that you need to do, that every Windows/MacOS user claims, isn't really a thing these days - sans NVIDIA (I'm not sure what the current status is, but it was bjorked somewhat recently). Sure, if you want to go beyond what Windows/MacOS can offer then tweaking my be required, but the current UIs are extremely comprehensive. I had a 80yr old lady up and running in one day with PopOS. If that's not lowest common denominator, I don't know what is. Professional work can be hit and miss. Depends on how draconian your workplace software is.

bee_rider 2y ago

They listed WoW, DotA and League of Legends—I’m guessing, but the last two seem likely to have anti-cheat issues, right?

Mustachio 2y ago
Vanguard AC is indeed incompatible with linux, but maybe that's for the better...