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FREE and OFFLINE and OPEN SOURCE and REAL-TIME on UNDER-POWERED devices?

by bool3max 2y ago

turnsout 2y ago
This is why it would be tough to be an AI startup in 2024… totally unrealistic customer expectations
- egoisticalgoat 2y ago
  Which usually stem from AI startups making wildly unrealistic promises; it's all a very unfun cat and mouse game.
userbinator 2y ago
I think it's certainly possible if you compromise on accuracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_NaturallySpeaking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_NaturallySpeaking has been around since the late 90s, there's various (rather robotic-sounding) free speech synths available which don't require much processing power at all (look at the system requirements of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Automatic_Mouth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Automatic_Mouth ), and of course machine translation has been an active topic of research since the mid-20th century. IMHO it's unfortunate that everyone jumps to "use AI!" as the default now, when very competitive approaches that have been developed over the past few decades could provide decent results but at a fraction of the computing resources, i.e. a much higher efficiency.
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ccozan 2y ago
Yes but why OFFLINE ? today's world is so super connected that I am wondering why is asking for this requirement.
- thangalin 2y ago
  > why OFFLINE Why online? Why would I want some third-party to (a) listen to my conversations; (b) receive a copy of my voice that hackers could download; (c) analyze my private conversations for marketing purposes; (d) hobble my ability to translate when their system goes down, or permanently offline; or (e) require me to pay for a software service that's feasible to run locally on a smart phone? Why would I want to have my ability to translate tied to internet connectivity? Routers can fail. Rural areas can be spotty. Cell towers can be downed by hurricanes. Hikes can take people out of cell tower range. People are not always inside of a city.
- itake 2y ago
  Hosting is annoyingly expensive. ping latency between us-east-1 and ap-southeast-1 is 230ms. So you either setup shop in one location or go multi-region (which adds up). Also, there are many environments (especially when you travel) where your phone is not readily connected.

FREE and OFFLINE and OPEN SOURCE and REAL-TIME on UNDER-POWERED devices?

turnsout 2y ago

This is why it would be tough to be an AI startup in 2024… totally unrealistic customer expectations

egoisticalgoat 2y ago
Which usually stem from AI startups making wildly unrealistic promises; it's all a very unfun cat and mouse game.

userbinator 2y ago

I think it's certainly possible if you compromise on accuracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_NaturallySpeaking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_NaturallySpeaking has been around since the late 90s, there's various (rather robotic-sounding) free speech synths available which don't require much processing power at all (look at the system requirements of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Automatic_Mouth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Automatic_Mouth ), and of course machine translation has been an active topic of research since the mid-20th century. IMHO it's unfortunate that everyone jumps to "use AI!" as the default now, when very competitive approaches that have been developed over the past few decades could provide decent results but at a fraction of the computing resources, i.e. a much higher efficiency.

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ccozan 2y ago

Yes but why OFFLINE ? today's world is so super connected that I am wondering why is asking for this requirement.

thangalin 2y ago
> why OFFLINE Why online? Why would I want some third-party to (a) listen to my conversations; (b) receive a copy of my voice that hackers could download; (c) analyze my private conversations for marketing purposes; (d) hobble my ability to translate when their system goes down, or permanently offline; or (e) require me to pay for a software service that's feasible to run locally on a smart phone? Why would I want to have my ability to translate tied to internet connectivity? Routers can fail. Rural areas can be spotty. Cell towers can be downed by hurricanes. Hikes can take people out of cell tower range. People are not always inside of a city.
itake 2y ago
Hosting is annoyingly expensive. ping latency between us-east-1 and ap-southeast-1 is 230ms. So you either setup shop in one location or go multi-region (which adds up). Also, there are many environments (especially when you travel) where your phone is not readily connected.