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USA Today joins the Washington Post and L.A. Times in not endorsing a candidate

11 points by lando2319 2y ago

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rzzzwilson 2y ago
> some journalists are calling it a betrayal of democratic responsibility An individual, or organization, decides what their democratic responsibility is, so I don't think it's a betrayal. However, it is cowardice.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  I don't think it's cowardice to say that, in good conscience, I cannot endorse Trump, and I also cannot endorse Harris. A non-endorsement could be because of cowardice, but it doesn't have to be.
- bityard 2y ago
  As a layperson who does not really follow politics, it is bizarre to me that ANY organization that labels itself a journalistic institution would willingly give up any pretense of neutrality by supporting any specific political candidate or party.
  - bediger4000 2y ago
    How do you feel about editorials, or opinion pages, or pundits that always have a slant?
    - bityard 2y ago
      Editorials and suchlike are typically presented as such, carved out and noted as their own special section, so that's okay. However, although TFA mentions editorial authors and staff, I got the sense that it was the papers themselves that were endorsing (or not) specific candidates.
      - bediger4000 2y ago
        Your sense was incorrect. Endorsements are exclusively the territory of the editorial board or a specific editor associated with editorials. In essence, the same as editorials and suchlike.
Kelteseth 2y ago
> to avoid backlash from Donald Trump if he wins the presidency. This already feels like a dystopian nightmare.
- yawpitch 2y ago
  > Donald Trump [..] presidency That’s because it’s one we woke up from and now have a coin toss chance of having again.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    I think the point was, "don't endorse X to avoid a backlash if Y wins" feels like a dystopian nightmare, regardless of the values of X and Y.
    - yawpitch 2y ago
      And my point is that what makes the difference between “feels like” and “actually is” a dystopian nightmare hinges very much on the precise value of Y. In this case we already know that we’re living the nightmare.
Integrape 2y ago
Reminds me of Canto III in Inferno, when Virgil describes the souls of the uncommitted.

11 points by lando2319 2y ago

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> some journalists are calling it a betrayal of democratic responsibility An individual, or organization, decides what their democratic responsibility is, so I don't think it's a betrayal. However, it is cowardice.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
I don't think it's cowardice to say that, in good conscience, I cannot endorse Trump, and I also cannot endorse Harris. A non-endorsement could be because of cowardice, but it doesn't have to be.
bityard 2y ago
As a layperson who does not really follow politics, it is bizarre to me that ANY organization that labels itself a journalistic institution would willingly give up any pretense of neutrality by supporting any specific political candidate or party.
- bediger4000 2y ago
  How do you feel about editorials, or opinion pages, or pundits that always have a slant?
  - bityard 2y ago
    Editorials and suchlike are typically presented as such, carved out and noted as their own special section, so that's okay. However, although TFA mentions editorial authors and staff, I got the sense that it was the papers themselves that were endorsing (or not) specific candidates.
    - bediger4000 2y ago
      Your sense was incorrect. Endorsements are exclusively the territory of the editorial board or a specific editor associated with editorials. In essence, the same as editorials and suchlike.

Kelteseth 2y ago

> to avoid backlash from Donald Trump if he wins the presidency. This already feels like a dystopian nightmare.

yawpitch 2y ago
> Donald Trump [..] presidency That’s because it’s one we woke up from and now have a coin toss chance of having again.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  I think the point was, "don't endorse X to avoid a backlash if Y wins" feels like a dystopian nightmare, regardless of the values of X and Y.
  - yawpitch 2y ago
    And my point is that what makes the difference between “feels like” and “actually is” a dystopian nightmare hinges very much on the precise value of Y. In this case we already know that we’re living the nightmare.

Integrape 2y ago

Reminds me of Canto III in Inferno, when Virgil describes the souls of the uncommitted.