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> which are now photographing political lawn signs outside private homes, individuals wearing T-shirts with text, and vehicles displaying pro-abortion bumper st

by pards 2y ago

> which are now photographing political lawn signs outside private homes, individuals wearing T-shirts with text, and vehicles displaying pro-abortion bumper stickers—all while recording the precise locations of these observations. I could see datasets containing this information being weaponized while simultaneously discouraging public discourse. Very Orwellian.

blitzar 2y ago
If people dont want to know which candidate they support or their position on the bumper sticker topic de jour then they should not advertise them. I can not fathom turning my house / car / body into a walking advertiment and them being upset that people notice.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  There's a qualitative difference between the people around you knowing and some fedcop thousands of miles away being able to punch your name into a system that's integrated with another system and know your leanings going back X years.
  - MR4D 2y ago
    A lot of voters actually sign a piece of paper to do exactly that. It’s called registering as a Republican or Democrat. Many states have rules on who is allowed to vote in which primaries based on that same information. But perhaps I am missing you point?
    - potato3732842 2y ago
      Party registration is uninteresting at scale as it just determines whether someone is the left or right half of the bell curve. It doesn't tell you if they're in the fat part or the long tail or what issues they care deeply about. The feds are very interested in cataloging who does and doesn't have extremist views (the long tail). Militant commies, 3%ers, stuff like that. And once some bit of iconography is identified they can run a historical search to see who had it before it went mainstream enough for the feds to pick up on it. While it's fashionable to denigrate extremists pretty much every useful and/or positive political movement starts out there at some point.
      - pavel_lishin 2y ago
        It's also something you do once, and don't have to repeat every year. You could have registered as a Democrat when you were 18, and never bothered to change your affiliation. Putting a sign outside of your house is something you have to actively do.
    - lesuorac 2y ago
      Some states also let you not-vote in a primary based on that information so you can register independent to vote in your choice of primaries. It's also not the greatest piece of information as evidenced in 2016 where Trump under-performed compared to other Republican positions (pg 6 vs pg 10 [1]). Like a party registration of Republican may likely mean you voted for their candidates but that's all it means, "likely". Empirically, people do not always vote their party registration (nevermind even vote). But I do find it annoying how trivially the state seems to give away all of your information that people are ok with using as authentication ... Or just to send you a ton of text messages. [1]: https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2016.pdf https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federale...
    - willcipriano 2y ago
      Some people have opinions that are outside of the purview of the two parties, for example ending the forever war.
  - CRConrad 2y ago
    But that difference has nothing to do with technology. The Stasi could do the same thing from Berlin by calling their IMs in any Hintertupfingen on a squeaky old landline.
    - potato3732842 2y ago
      That's way more expensive and doesn't scale. And more importantly it introduces more parties to the process any one of which can complain "this is an F-ing waste of resources, while we might not like the guy he's a distraction and not worth our time".
- rightbyte 2y ago
  The aggregate and ease of access is bad. I for one don't want my next boss or the banks I apply for mortage at to know what I think about the capitalist system. Looking at my music play history you could quite easely tell them what. Still I am not hiding what music I listen to to those around me. Like bumber stickers.
gruez 2y ago
Calling lawn signs and bumper stickers "public discourse" is a stretch. Moreover, isn't the whole point of bumper stickers and lawn signs that you want to tell everyone what your positions are? The expectation that you'd want to tell everyone what your political beliefs are except the government and evil corporations is absurd.
- dustyventure 2y ago
  Since the beginning of time you could tell your neighborhood your mediocre opinions and not put rattle suppression on your bedroom windows.. But totally absurd that our fathers didn't expect a spy satellite with a 2 meter accuracy, a CIA agent who couldn't pass the international language test and a typist to record a precise biography of them.

by pards 2y ago

blitzar 2y ago

If people dont want to know which candidate they support or their position on the bumper sticker topic de jour then they should not advertise them. I can not fathom turning my house / car / body into a walking advertiment and them being upset that people notice.

potato3732842 2y ago
There's a qualitative difference between the people around you knowing and some fedcop thousands of miles away being able to punch your name into a system that's integrated with another system and know your leanings going back X years.
- MR4D 2y ago
  A lot of voters actually sign a piece of paper to do exactly that. It’s called registering as a Republican or Democrat. Many states have rules on who is allowed to vote in which primaries based on that same information. But perhaps I am missing you point?
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    Party registration is uninteresting at scale as it just determines whether someone is the left or right half of the bell curve. It doesn't tell you if they're in the fat part or the long tail or what issues they care deeply about. The feds are very interested in cataloging who does and doesn't have extremist views (the long tail). Militant commies, 3%ers, stuff like that. And once some bit of iconography is identified they can run a historical search to see who had it before it went mainstream enough for the feds to pick up on it. While it's fashionable to denigrate extremists pretty much every useful and/or positive political movement starts out there at some point.
    - pavel_lishin 2y ago
      It's also something you do once, and don't have to repeat every year. You could have registered as a Democrat when you were 18, and never bothered to change your affiliation. Putting a sign outside of your house is something you have to actively do.
  - lesuorac 2y ago
    Some states also let you not-vote in a primary based on that information so you can register independent to vote in your choice of primaries. It's also not the greatest piece of information as evidenced in 2016 where Trump under-performed compared to other Republican positions (pg 6 vs pg 10 [1]). Like a party registration of Republican may likely mean you voted for their candidates but that's all it means, "likely". Empirically, people do not always vote their party registration (nevermind even vote). But I do find it annoying how trivially the state seems to give away all of your information that people are ok with using as authentication ... Or just to send you a ton of text messages. [1]: https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2016.pdf https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federale...
  - willcipriano 2y ago
    Some people have opinions that are outside of the purview of the two parties, for example ending the forever war.
- CRConrad 2y ago
  But that difference has nothing to do with technology. The Stasi could do the same thing from Berlin by calling their IMs in any Hintertupfingen on a squeaky old landline.
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    That's way more expensive and doesn't scale. And more importantly it introduces more parties to the process any one of which can complain "this is an F-ing waste of resources, while we might not like the guy he's a distraction and not worth our time".
rightbyte 2y ago
The aggregate and ease of access is bad. I for one don't want my next boss or the banks I apply for mortage at to know what I think about the capitalist system. Looking at my music play history you could quite easely tell them what. Still I am not hiding what music I listen to to those around me. Like bumber stickers.

gruez 2y ago

Calling lawn signs and bumper stickers "public discourse" is a stretch. Moreover, isn't the whole point of bumper stickers and lawn signs that you want to tell everyone what your positions are? The expectation that you'd want to tell everyone what your political beliefs are except the government and evil corporations is absurd.

dustyventure 2y ago
Since the beginning of time you could tell your neighborhood your mediocre opinions and not put rattle suppression on your bedroom windows.. But totally absurd that our fathers didn't expect a spy satellite with a 2 meter accuracy, a CIA agent who couldn't pass the international language test and a typist to record a precise biography of them.