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Zimbra. Zimbra+Thunderbird. GoogleApps.

by biehl 14y ago

astrodust 14y ago
If any comment ever deserved an "El Oh El" it's surely this one. There aren't any enterprise alternatives even though there should be one. For instance, if RIM had half a clue and a nickel for every bad idea they've executed on they'd have built a messaging platform to compete with Microsoft. It's obviously too late for this now, but there aren't many companies that people would trust their email to.
raverbashing 14y ago
GoogleApps yes But don't waste your time with Zimbra, really
roel_v 14y ago
Do you know how Exchange works, and how Zimbra works, from a user and management point of view? (I'm not even taking GoogleApps seriously, because many organizations don't want to outsource the storage of their private data). If yes, how can you say that they are 'similar' except for the very most basic point that users can send email with them, much like both a Lamborghini Murcielago and a Ford Model T are both 'cars'? If no, why do you suggest them?
- locusm 14y ago
  I find the "organizations don't want to outsource the storage of their private data" an interesting one. Do they think they can secure their email servers better than Google can? Are they going to refuse to hand over data if requested by authorities? As far as I know Google doesnt do anything more than say a spam filtering service like MessageLabs would do - i.e. index some text to see if it should be classified as spam / malware etc. You can read their policies on this here http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=60762 http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6...
  - flyinRyan 14y ago
    >Are they going to refuse to hand over data if requested by authorities? At least they'll know the authorities are requesting the data...
    - locusm 14y ago
      I thought voting something down was for trolls, not because you disagree...
      - flyinRyan 14y ago
        Is that directed at me? Look at my profile: I don't have the ability to down vote.
  - tripzilch 14y ago
    Do you know what the word "trusted" means in the context of security? > Do they think they can secure their email servers better than Google can? Just because someone secures their servers better than you can doesn't mean you automatically have to trust them with your data. Let's assume for a moment that I have the safest vault in the world. According to your reasoning, the logical thing to do would be to put your valuables in my vault? Gosh .. And even if you do trust Google with your sensitive data, do you also trust all their employees that might have access to it? http://gawker.com/5638874/david-barksdale-wasnt-googles-first-spying-engineer http://gawker.com/5638874/david-barksdale-wasnt-googles-firs... And Google is a rather big corporation, if anything were to go wrong, they are notoriously hard to hold accountable. > Are they going to refuse to hand over data if requested by authorities? Well, they do not necessarily answer to the same authorities as Google does, so in some cases, yes, absolutely.
    - locusm 14y ago
      > Just because someone secures their servers better than you can doesn't mean you automatically have to trust them with your data. When coupled with credibility of course it does. > Let's assume for a moment that I have the safest vault in the world. According to your reasoning, the logical thing to do would be to put your valuables in my vault? Gosh .. No it wouldnt, silly argument really. You have less than zero rep.
- biehl 14y ago
  I know how Zimbra works, yes. And I think it is a bit harsh if you call Exchange a Model T - even though the search facilities through Outlook are crap, and many Exchange instances are configured with ridiculously little mail storage (eg. 250 MB/user).
creamyhorror 14y ago
I recently set up an email system for a small company using cPanel, hMailserver and Thunderbird. I actually looked at Zimbra but decided to go with a Windows-based solution. I also considered Google Apps, but was afraid it wouldn't allow for fine-grained control over access permissions (i.e. managers seeing subordinates' accounts and restricted shared folders) and also unrestricted creation email aliases/accounts. Should I have taken a closer look at GA? Thunderbird isn't the easiest to use, but I like how it's easy to work with shared IMAP folders.

Zimbra. Zimbra+Thunderbird. GoogleApps.

by biehl 14y ago

Zimbra. Zimbra+Thunderbird. GoogleApps.

If any comment ever deserved an "El Oh El" it's surely this one. There aren't any enterprise alternatives even though there should be one. For instance, if RIM had half a clue and a nickel for every bad idea they've executed on they'd have built a messaging platform to compete with Microsoft. It's obviously too late for this now, but there aren't many companies that people would trust their email to.

raverbashing 14y ago

GoogleApps yes But don't waste your time with Zimbra, really

roel_v 14y ago

Do you know how Exchange works, and how Zimbra works, from a user and management point of view? (I'm not even taking GoogleApps seriously, because many organizations don't want to outsource the storage of their private data). If yes, how can you say that they are 'similar' except for the very most basic point that users can send email with them, much like both a Lamborghini Murcielago and a Ford Model T are both 'cars'? If no, why do you suggest them?

locusm 14y ago
I find the "organizations don't want to outsource the storage of their private data" an interesting one. Do they think they can secure their email servers better than Google can? Are they going to refuse to hand over data if requested by authorities? As far as I know Google doesnt do anything more than say a spam filtering service like MessageLabs would do - i.e. index some text to see if it should be classified as spam / malware etc. You can read their policies on this here http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=60762 http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6...
- flyinRyan 14y ago
  >Are they going to refuse to hand over data if requested by authorities? At least they'll know the authorities are requesting the data...
  - locusm 14y ago
    I thought voting something down was for trolls, not because you disagree...
    - flyinRyan 14y ago
      Is that directed at me? Look at my profile: I don't have the ability to down vote.
- tripzilch 14y ago
  Do you know what the word "trusted" means in the context of security? > Do they think they can secure their email servers better than Google can? Just because someone secures their servers better than you can doesn't mean you automatically have to trust them with your data. Let's assume for a moment that I have the safest vault in the world. According to your reasoning, the logical thing to do would be to put your valuables in my vault? Gosh .. And even if you do trust Google with your sensitive data, do you also trust all their employees that might have access to it? http://gawker.com/5638874/david-barksdale-wasnt-googles-first-spying-engineer http://gawker.com/5638874/david-barksdale-wasnt-googles-firs... And Google is a rather big corporation, if anything were to go wrong, they are notoriously hard to hold accountable. > Are they going to refuse to hand over data if requested by authorities? Well, they do not necessarily answer to the same authorities as Google does, so in some cases, yes, absolutely.
  - locusm 14y ago
    > Just because someone secures their servers better than you can doesn't mean you automatically have to trust them with your data. When coupled with credibility of course it does. > Let's assume for a moment that I have the safest vault in the world. According to your reasoning, the logical thing to do would be to put your valuables in my vault? Gosh .. No it wouldnt, silly argument really. You have less than zero rep.
biehl 14y ago
I know how Zimbra works, yes. And I think it is a bit harsh if you call Exchange a Model T - even though the search facilities through Outlook are crap, and many Exchange instances are configured with ridiculously little mail storage (eg. 250 MB/user).

creamyhorror 14y ago

I recently set up an email system for a small company using cPanel, hMailserver and Thunderbird. I actually looked at Zimbra but decided to go with a Windows-based solution. I also considered Google Apps, but was afraid it wouldn't allow for fine-grained control over access permissions (i.e. managers seeing subordinates' accounts and restricted shared folders) and also unrestricted creation email aliases/accounts. Should I have taken a closer look at GA? Thunderbird isn't the easiest to use, but I like how it's easy to work with shared IMAP folders.