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You might be living in a bubble. The majority of the population doesn’t have a PC, most people use a smartphone as their only general purpose computer. And whil

by kaba0 2y ago

You might be living in a bubble. The majority of the population doesn’t have a PC, most people use a smartphone as their only general purpose computer. And while you may not run blender on your phone and render a full-time movie with ray-tracing there, there is absolutely no fundamental limitation, it just so happens to primarily target portable devices, not beasts of a machine with 4 video cards. This functionality requires zero special permission, neither does photoshop (of which there are multiple mobile-versions), or digital painting which, etc. You would be surprised how many content creator gets by with a single ipad.

immibis 2y ago
Android and iOS are limited operating systems for limited devices. They don't scale up to office workloads.
- kaba0 2y ago
  In what way or form? Citation needed.
- consteval 2y ago
  Certainly not because of their security model, lol. It's because they're phones. But requiring user permissions for apps to do shady shit is a good thing. Cannot fathom why people are against that.
  - funcDropShadow 2y ago
    The security model is not the only factor, but it is one very important factor. Why do I have to open Moebius sync to keep syncthing synchronization running? Why is the whole landscape build under the assumption that a cloud storage is more trustworthy than local storage? > But requiring user permissions for apps to do shady shit is a good thing.
    - kaba0 2y ago
      > Why do I have to open Moebius sync to keep syncthing synchronization running Because it’s a mobile OS and every single spent CPU cycle is a detriment to battery life? There is absolutely nothing in the security model that would prevent it from running - but it is essential that processes have a “structured” lifetime. E.g. compare how much more graceful android is in low-memory situations, asking apps to serialize their state and then stopping the last used one. Linux oomkiller will just reap my whole display manager for some reason.
      - immibis 2y ago
        So that's another reason it doesn't scale to office workloads
        consteval 2y ago
        Sigh. Okay, but Wayland doesn't work this way because it is a Desktop software. I don't understand the complaints here - we're upset that we, the user, are empowered to give and remove permissions from applications? Nobody is turning Linux into iOS. But iOS DOES have some good ideas. It's good, for example, that for an app to access your photos library they have to ask. I know for a fact you prefer that to the app just opening your photos without your knowledge and doing whatever they want with them. Similarly, I see no reason why Chrome should be able to read the display output and keyboard inputs of my graphical password manager. It should ask me.
funcDropShadow 2y ago
> You would be surprised how many content creator gets by with a single ipad. Can you name one professional software developer? Probably, you can. But I don't want to limit myself to that sub standard environment. I love my iPad for some activities, for others iOS is just impractical.
- anyfoo 2y ago
  Pretty sure this specific thing is under similar restrictions on macOS.

by kaba0 2y ago

immibis 2y ago

Android and iOS are limited operating systems for limited devices. They don't scale up to office workloads.

kaba0 2y ago
In what way or form? Citation needed.
consteval 2y ago
Certainly not because of their security model, lol. It's because they're phones. But requiring user permissions for apps to do shady shit is a good thing. Cannot fathom why people are against that.
- funcDropShadow 2y ago
  The security model is not the only factor, but it is one very important factor. Why do I have to open Moebius sync to keep syncthing synchronization running? Why is the whole landscape build under the assumption that a cloud storage is more trustworthy than local storage? > But requiring user permissions for apps to do shady shit is a good thing.
  - kaba0 2y ago
    > Why do I have to open Moebius sync to keep syncthing synchronization running Because it’s a mobile OS and every single spent CPU cycle is a detriment to battery life? There is absolutely nothing in the security model that would prevent it from running - but it is essential that processes have a “structured” lifetime. E.g. compare how much more graceful android is in low-memory situations, asking apps to serialize their state and then stopping the last used one. Linux oomkiller will just reap my whole display manager for some reason.
    - immibis 2y ago
      So that's another reason it doesn't scale to office workloads
      - consteval 2y ago
        Sigh. Okay, but Wayland doesn't work this way because it is a Desktop software. I don't understand the complaints here - we're upset that we, the user, are empowered to give and remove permissions from applications? Nobody is turning Linux into iOS. But iOS DOES have some good ideas. It's good, for example, that for an app to access your photos library they have to ask. I know for a fact you prefer that to the app just opening your photos without your knowledge and doing whatever they want with them. Similarly, I see no reason why Chrome should be able to read the display output and keyboard inputs of my graphical password manager. It should ask me.

funcDropShadow 2y ago

> You would be surprised how many content creator gets by with a single ipad. Can you name one professional software developer? Probably, you can. But I don't want to limit myself to that sub standard environment. I love my iPad for some activities, for others iOS is just impractical.

anyfoo 2y ago
Pretty sure this specific thing is under similar restrictions on macOS.