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The whole schizophrenic spectrum is a reversion to survival mode. This is what a animal hears all day- "They are out to get me, its one huge conspiracy" is the

The whole schizophrenic spectrum is a reversion to survival mode. This is what a animal hears all day- "They are out to get me, its one huge conspiracy" is the thought process of a mouse. Its low energy by default, as it does not require complex thought processes, relative little communication, very little planning for the future. Its a adaption to a warzone and economic stressors shake it loose.

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markovs_gun 2y ago
I don't know if this is true. The way psychosis manifests is influenced heavily by culture. In some places, hallucinations from psychosis are largely positive rather than threatening. https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614 https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luh...
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- ryandv 2y ago
  Indeed; the Oracles at Delphi were revered for their ability to divine wisdom from auditory hallucinations which were literally equated with gods. In some modern western cultures, by contrast, you even have active gaslighting of those who are vulnerable to such conditions and exacerbation of their negative qualities.
  - markovs_gun 2y ago
    I would be careful equating the oracles of Delphi with psychosis, since religious practices can bring about visions and out of body experiences without drugs or underlying pathologies. For example, some Eurasian shamans practice "ecstatic dance" where oxygen deprivation and exhaustion result in shamanistic experiences (visions, auditory hallucinations, etc) without the use of drugs.
mandmandam 2y ago
> The whole schizophrenic spectrum is a reversion to survival mode. There could be some seed of truth in there, but, sweeping statements about what schizophrenia is need to be delivered with more than assertion. > This is what a animal hears all day- "They are out to get me, its one huge conspiracy" Not even wild animals think like this all the time. I feel confident saying they live very different inner lives to what you describe. > is the thought process of a mouse Comparing people with schizophrenia to terrified mice is bad. Not all schizophrenic delusions are paranoid in nature, for one thing. And for another, even if the basic mechanism were fundamentally the same (totally unproven) the differences between mouse brains and human brains, mouse culture and human culture, etc, makes the comparison rather pointless. Add to all this, the fact that no non-human animal has been definitively shown to have schizophrenia in the same way humans experience it. And of the animals that might have schizophrenia, like mice with a disrupted DISC1 gene, wouldn't they be different to normal, healthily anxious mice? ... Please, consider trying not to make declarations about stuff like this when your domain knowledge isn't quite up to the task.

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markovs_gun 2y ago

I don't know if this is true. The way psychosis manifests is influenced heavily by culture. In some places, hallucinations from psychosis are largely positive rather than threatening. https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614 https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luh...

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ryandv 2y ago
Indeed; the Oracles at Delphi were revered for their ability to divine wisdom from auditory hallucinations which were literally equated with gods. In some modern western cultures, by contrast, you even have active gaslighting of those who are vulnerable to such conditions and exacerbation of their negative qualities.
- markovs_gun 2y ago
  I would be careful equating the oracles of Delphi with psychosis, since religious practices can bring about visions and out of body experiences without drugs or underlying pathologies. For example, some Eurasian shamans practice "ecstatic dance" where oxygen deprivation and exhaustion result in shamanistic experiences (visions, auditory hallucinations, etc) without the use of drugs.

mandmandam 2y ago

> The whole schizophrenic spectrum is a reversion to survival mode. There could be some seed of truth in there, but, sweeping statements about what schizophrenia is need to be delivered with more than assertion. > This is what a animal hears all day- "They are out to get me, its one huge conspiracy" Not even wild animals think like this all the time. I feel confident saying they live very different inner lives to what you describe. > is the thought process of a mouse Comparing people with schizophrenia to terrified mice is bad. Not all schizophrenic delusions are paranoid in nature, for one thing. And for another, even if the basic mechanism were fundamentally the same (totally unproven) the differences between mouse brains and human brains, mouse culture and human culture, etc, makes the comparison rather pointless. Add to all this, the fact that no non-human animal has been definitively shown to have schizophrenia in the same way humans experience it. And of the animals that might have schizophrenia, like mice with a disrupted DISC1 gene, wouldn't they be different to normal, healthily anxious mice? ... Please, consider trying not to make declarations about stuff like this when your domain knowledge isn't quite up to the task.