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Yeah, we'll know the battery revolution has arrived when the US needs punitive 100% tariffs to stop imports of low cost, high performance EV cars from a develop

Yeah, we'll know the battery revolution has arrived when the US needs punitive 100% tariffs to stop imports of low cost, high performance EV cars from a developing nation. Until then it's all talk. Meanwhile we can talk about two US companies promising that their magic beans are the future.

sugarkjube 2y ago
Maybe not yet in US, but EU just launched 30-40% tarifs on chinese EV while it's car industry faces a major crisis and huge lay offs. [edit] OK, :-( i missed that US has also huge tarifs on EV.
khafra 2y ago
If it were legal to import China's domestic EVs, I think you'd see them everywhere in the US.
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
  I think that's ZeroGravitas's point, expressed a bit sarcastically. This "We'll know when..." is in fact happening.
  - jillesvangurp 2y ago
    I wonder how long it will take before people start shopping in Mexico for a cheap BYD and importing those privately. There are probably some hurdles for that. Might be happening already.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
      After a bit more thought, the steps are 0) Technology advances 1) Engineering advances it to a working, shipping, volume product: "the next generation of batteries are appearing" in cars from China. 2) Politics reacts: "Import tariffs to protect domestic jobs!" 3) People subvert it: "I can get a cheap vehicle in the country next door!" 4) accommodation: "build a factory in the state of Georgia / the country of Hungary to assemble them!", "invest in domestic industry" etc And there is evidence of all of these steps.
teleforce 2y ago
> we'll know the battery revolution has arrived when the US needs punitive 100% tariffs to stop imports of low cost, high performance EV cars from a developing nation. Somehow US made EVs managed to be priced higher than the Chinese EVs with the imposed tariffs [1]: [1] Chinese EVs still cheaper than Teslas in US after tariff hike: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41544022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41544022
toast0 2y ago
Aren't Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards enough to stop imports?

sugarkjube 2y ago

Maybe not yet in US, but EU just launched 30-40% tarifs on chinese EV while it's car industry faces a major crisis and huge lay offs. [edit] OK, :-( i missed that US has also huge tarifs on EV.

khafra 2y ago

If it were legal to import China's domestic EVs, I think you'd see them everywhere in the US.

SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
I think that's ZeroGravitas's point, expressed a bit sarcastically. This "We'll know when..." is in fact happening.
- jillesvangurp 2y ago
  I wonder how long it will take before people start shopping in Mexico for a cheap BYD and importing those privately. There are probably some hurdles for that. Might be happening already.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
    After a bit more thought, the steps are 0) Technology advances 1) Engineering advances it to a working, shipping, volume product: "the next generation of batteries are appearing" in cars from China. 2) Politics reacts: "Import tariffs to protect domestic jobs!" 3) People subvert it: "I can get a cheap vehicle in the country next door!" 4) accommodation: "build a factory in the state of Georgia / the country of Hungary to assemble them!", "invest in domestic industry" etc And there is evidence of all of these steps.

teleforce 2y ago

> we'll know the battery revolution has arrived when the US needs punitive 100% tariffs to stop imports of low cost, high performance EV cars from a developing nation. Somehow US made EVs managed to be priced higher than the Chinese EVs with the imposed tariffs [1]: [1] Chinese EVs still cheaper than Teslas in US after tariff hike: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41544022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41544022

toast0 2y ago

Aren't Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards enough to stop imports?