>because it can be proven that it can't be proven that two plus two equals five Really? What does that even mean? In what number system it can it be proven? Do

>because it can be proven that it can't be proven that two plus two equals five Really? What does that even mean? In what number system it can it be proven? Does it hold for all? >This is a load of ivory-tower hogwash, precisely why people get turned away from math and philosophy. If people get "turned away from math and philosophy" then it's the peoples' problem, not math and philosophy's problem.