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The work at CERN is differentiated when it is performed by westerners or by people from the East: "The cost [...] has been evaluated, taking into account reali
by Create 14y ago
The work at CERN is differentiated when it is performed by westerners or by people from the East:
"The cost [...] has been evaluated, taking into account realistic labor prices in different countries. The total cost is X (with a western equivalent value of Y)" [where Y>X]
source: LHCb calorimeters : Technical Design Report
ISBN: 9290831693 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264 http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/494264
Western discrimination is firmly in place there.
- JonnieCache 14y agoWhat That is referring to production costs for the calorimeter, which is part of the ATLAS detector, (it picks up neutral particles IIRC.) It doesn't refer to differentiating between work done by white people and non white people actually at CERN, which is what you seem to be implying?
- Create 14y agoPlease take time to read it. But here is a summary: "1the western equivalent value is 1'390 kCHF. 2the western equivalent value is 5'450 kCHF" http://lhcb.ecm.ub.es/spd/spd/General%20information/spd_cost_tdr.pdf http://lhcb.ecm.ub.es/spd/spd/General%20information/spd_cost... It is not from the ATLAS experiment, but of another LHC experiment -- but still within the organisation of CERN. The comment/quote is about evaluating people -- ie. by the simplest budgeting metric, labour cost (with obvious consequences for peer evaluation). It has nothing to do with colour but with peer evaluation of equivalent work, differentiated according eastern or western membership. edit: unable to reply to the comment below. But I can cite concrete case(s) in which work was performed in Geneva by both eastern and western member within the same group. China isn't a memberstate anyway.
- chris_wot 14y agoUh, it says labour costs in different countries. I.e. if the work is done in China then wages may be lower, if it's done in Switzerland then wages will be higher. There's no big conspiracy here by CERN, just different wages in different countries.
- icarus_drowning 14y agoReally, I think this might take the cake as the worst comment I've ever read on Hacker News.
- JonnieCache 14y agoHe cited a source, so I don't think it can take that particular cake.
- chris_wot 14y agoExcept he is misusing a source to come to an absurd conclusion!
- icarus_drowning 14y agoIn an attempt (presumably, I can't really know) to distract from a truly historic scientific achievement. Don't forget that part.
- Create 14y agoNo attempts, just plain facts: a reminder of those, who took their fair share in contributing to such a scientific achievement but were discriminated negatively compared to their "western equivalents" only for being born in a non-western country. The cited document (did all the downvoters also take their time and actually read the TDRs and papers in detail??? Or are they just ignorant sheep?) is a rare case of putting the facts on the ground down in a written and approved document, despite being taboo in an organisation touting "equal opportunities" and such policies. No downvotes will change the situation I warn about above, quite to the contrary: may my previous comment serve as a warning to all non-westerners at CERN for the time being.
- Create 14y agoIf you have difficulties in accepting criticism based on a factual quote from a (peer!) reviewed document, then you might consider changing your behaviour. The moment one experiences the consequences of such discrimination, things get far more real than an absurd conclusion you are alluding to.