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I really appreciate your perspectives on this. This is possibly the most important conversation of the current era and, like you've expressed, we've barely begu
by standardUser 2y ago
I really appreciate your perspectives on this. This is possibly the most important conversation of the current era and, like you've expressed, we've barely begun to have it.
The part that strikes me the most is the idea that women aren't ready to accept new gender norms among men. We're definitely in a transition era where expectations are out of whack. I do think a lot of women want an unrealistic blend of traditional masculinity with just the right types and amounts of femininity. And they are not finding it very often.
This is one of several recent surveys that show a sharp and rapid turn away from traditional gender and sexuality:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/611864/lgbtq-identification.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/611864/lgbtq-identification.asp...
The trend is obvious in Millennials and then it absolutely skyrockets among Gen Z. More than a quarter of Gen Z women are rejecting traditional straightness in one capacity or another. I imagine many more have perspectives that are far more open than the traditional norm, even if doesn't change how they identify. I think that these women are capable of accepting a new form of masculinity in their partners. I think they are 10 steps ahead and they create a huge opportunity for men to embrace their gender in different ways without being ostracized. In fact, I think men will be rewarded, and the allure of those rewards will accelerate male rejection of traditional masculinity.
Not to get too personal, but in my hyper-progressive bubble of NYC, I see this exact dynamic playing out amongst my younger friends in their late 20's to late 30's. And they aren't even Gen Z. I like to think it's a preview of the large trends to come.
- consteval 2y agoI 100% agree things are getting better and only getting better. It's just a very slow change, because I think those young people have to grapple with the people who are raising them and who they respect. But - I will say in terms of sexuality among women - it's not all rainbows (ha). The majority of bisexual women I know would not date bisexual men, and they make it known. The "gap" in progressivism exists there too, just much less. Meaning, a lot of bisexual women are willing to accept all kinds of women and have a self-expression of wide variety, but many still look for what they deem to be a traditional, heterosexual man (when they are dating men). It's complicated and then that really gets into a more intersectional issue because the elephant in the room is there's many strings connecting sexuality to masculinity. I think, in general, there's less genderized implications for behavior for women who are bisexual than there are for men who are bisexual. Being a bisexual man just comes with much more assumptions and baggage about identity in terms of masculinity/femininity that I don't really see for bisexuality in women. You can sort of see this in statistics, where bisexual women self-identify significantly more than bisexual men. But bright side: this is improving, too. I see a lot less men hiding their bisexuality these days than I saw 10 years ago.
- standardUser 2y agoFeel free to upvote comments you like here. The incel brigade will inevitably come through and downvote most of our conversation into oblivion.