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Does that invalidate the project's many years of good work? Which distro would you use instead?

VWWHFSfQ 2y ago
It doesn't invalidate anything and I'll continue to use Debian forever. But let's not pretend there is any "secret sauce". It's all just the same wild west of FOSS like any other distro or big project.
- forty 2y ago
  The secret sauce is so that, despite the huge size of the project, that kind of incident doesn't happen too often :)
  - russfink 2y ago
    Another secret sauce is the overwhelming community support for it. That’s one of the reasons why I rebased my side project from Fedora to Debian.
  - nucleardog 2y ago
    For some reason this all reminded me of a line from the Battlestar Galactica remake: > "The story of Galactica isn't that people make bad decisions under pressure, it's that those mistakes are the exception." The story of Debian isn't the mistakes, it's how few mistakes there are. It's an entire operating system that's been release consistently for over 30 years and currently in 78 languages. There are around 122k packages in the official software repository, almost all packaged by the Debian project. In terms of number of possible combinations of installed systems, just in software packages, that's something like 21 googolplex. Or around 445x the number of atoms in the observable universe. Never mind the different architectures and all the different hardware variants they could be installed on. Even if it wasn't given away _for free_, it would be an impressive achievement. "Yeah, but one time they had a bug!" Yes. Of course they did.
- djbusby 2y ago
  Debian is not "wild" at all. It's so boring that decade old bugs stick out.
  - dsissitka 2y ago
    This feels wild to me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40320166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40320166
    - elcritch 2y ago
      Not really. Seems they just turned off a compile time flag. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40326057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40326057
      - dsissitka 2y ago
        Just because it's an option doesn't mean it's a good default. And regardless of how you feel about the default the way they went about it broke things for users and made more work KeePassXC's maintainers. You might disagree but given how easily it could've been avoided I think it's pretty wild.
        Calzifer 2y ago
        > And regardless of how you feel about the default the way they went about it broke things for users For users using Debian unstable and even there it was apparently fixed/improved after a week. Debian stable users had no "wild ride" and for the future became the choice to select between the full featured keepassxc version and a minimal variant without non-essential network and IPC features.
        yencabulator 2y ago
        Regardless of your opinion of goodness, not having networking seems to have been the upstream default: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40326057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40326057

It doesn't invalidate anything and I'll continue to use Debian forever. But let's not pretend there is any "secret sauce". It's all just the same wild west of FOSS like any other distro or big project.

forty 2y ago
The secret sauce is so that, despite the huge size of the project, that kind of incident doesn't happen too often :)
- russfink 2y ago
  Another secret sauce is the overwhelming community support for it. That’s one of the reasons why I rebased my side project from Fedora to Debian.
- nucleardog 2y ago
  For some reason this all reminded me of a line from the Battlestar Galactica remake: > "The story of Galactica isn't that people make bad decisions under pressure, it's that those mistakes are the exception." The story of Debian isn't the mistakes, it's how few mistakes there are. It's an entire operating system that's been release consistently for over 30 years and currently in 78 languages. There are around 122k packages in the official software repository, almost all packaged by the Debian project. In terms of number of possible combinations of installed systems, just in software packages, that's something like 21 googolplex. Or around 445x the number of atoms in the observable universe. Never mind the different architectures and all the different hardware variants they could be installed on. Even if it wasn't given away _for free_, it would be an impressive achievement. "Yeah, but one time they had a bug!" Yes. Of course they did.
djbusby 2y ago
Debian is not "wild" at all. It's so boring that decade old bugs stick out.
- dsissitka 2y ago
  This feels wild to me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40320166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40320166
  - elcritch 2y ago
    Not really. Seems they just turned off a compile time flag. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40326057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40326057
    - dsissitka 2y ago
      Just because it's an option doesn't mean it's a good default. And regardless of how you feel about the default the way they went about it broke things for users and made more work KeePassXC's maintainers. You might disagree but given how easily it could've been avoided I think it's pretty wild.
      - Calzifer 2y ago
        > And regardless of how you feel about the default the way they went about it broke things for users For users using Debian unstable and even there it was apparently fixed/improved after a week. Debian stable users had no "wild ride" and for the future became the choice to select between the full featured keepassxc version and a minimal variant without non-essential network and IPC features.
      - yencabulator 2y ago
        Regardless of your opinion of goodness, not having networking seems to have been the upstream default: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40326057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40326057