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Any chance scientists can make a drug for humans to have this benefit? This could help in tense relationship building/ repair. You get the social bonding of p

Any chance scientists can make a drug for humans to have this benefit? This could help in tense relationship building/ repair. You get the social bonding of pounding alcohol w/o the negative effects of drunkeness.

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
If there was such a drug you wouldn't get the social effects: these hornets don't get drunk at all, they metabolize the alcohol too quickly for it to affect their brains. It's not like they get a euphoric buzz without the social impairment :)
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  Some of the social effect is a placebo.
  - tasty_freeze 2y ago
    I witnessed this when I spent a month inside the offices of a large Japanese company in Kyoto. In that month there were three different dinners out for the whole office, all of them involving alcohol. One of the engineers told me as an aside, because Japanese culture frowns on contradicting or questioning one's superiors, social drinking was a tacit mechanism where people could express their doubts about project direction and such without repercussion, as another part of the tacit rules were that what someone said while drunk shouldn't be held too strongly against them. Even after a few sips people would get more boisterous and the buttoned-down civility would drop. I didn't speak much Japanese so I can only imagine what was being said, probably something like "Boss, I'm not too confident that spending so much time adding the suchandsuch feature is worth delaying the project, but I'm just a junior engineer so I don't know what I'm talking about, hah hah. Kampai!"
    - lowestprimate 2y ago
      In Vino Veritas! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas
pavel_lishin 2y ago
Many bars offer alcohol-free beers. I've been on antibiotics for a week, so I haven't been drinking, but we had some alcohol-free beers left over from a party. They're all IPA-flavored, so they taste authentically awful!
- caseyohara 2y ago
  Non-alcoholic beers have gotten really good in the last few years. In the US, Athletic Brewing Company is doing great stuff. I haven't tried their IPA, but their lagers and lighter beers are surprisingly good and an adequate substitute for the "ritual" of beer drinking.
  - pavel_lishin 2y ago
    I've tried their light beers, and didn't particularly like them. Weirdly, even though I hate IPAs, I think I liked the alcohol-free IPA stuff better. It feels more "authentic", I think - likely because I don't drink IPAs, so I can't tell that something is off without the alcohol.
  - 486sx33 2y ago
    Try erdinger non-alkoholic “for sport” https://us.erdinger.de/beer/non-alcoholic.html https://us.erdinger.de/beer/non-alcoholic.html For good mouthfeel !
- williamdclt 2y ago
  "IPA-flavoured" is a bit dismissive. Alcohol-free beer is not flavoured water, it's beer that's had its alcohol removed. Non-alc IPA is an IPA with extra steps!
  - pavel_lishin 2y ago
    I meant to be dismissive in a joking way - I dislike the taste of IPAs, but they definitely taste Like Beer to me, even once the alcohol removal process has taken place. Athletic's light beers, though, taste off in a way that really doesn't work for me when I'm in the mood for the social aspect of drinking a beer, but not for most of the mental and physical ffects.
the_sleaze_ 2y ago
There's Kava or Kratom - I've not tried them myself but I have heard good things about their ability to ease social situation like alcohol without alcohol's side effects.
- AnthonBerg 2y ago
  Ketamine is interesting too.
SoftTalker 2y ago
Order club soda with a lime slice. It looks like a gin and tonic but you won't get drunk.

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago

If there was such a drug you wouldn't get the social effects: these hornets don't get drunk at all, they metabolize the alcohol too quickly for it to affect their brains. It's not like they get a euphoric buzz without the social impairment :)

pavel_lishin 2y ago
Some of the social effect is a placebo.
- tasty_freeze 2y ago
  I witnessed this when I spent a month inside the offices of a large Japanese company in Kyoto. In that month there were three different dinners out for the whole office, all of them involving alcohol. One of the engineers told me as an aside, because Japanese culture frowns on contradicting or questioning one's superiors, social drinking was a tacit mechanism where people could express their doubts about project direction and such without repercussion, as another part of the tacit rules were that what someone said while drunk shouldn't be held too strongly against them. Even after a few sips people would get more boisterous and the buttoned-down civility would drop. I didn't speak much Japanese so I can only imagine what was being said, probably something like "Boss, I'm not too confident that spending so much time adding the suchandsuch feature is worth delaying the project, but I'm just a junior engineer so I don't know what I'm talking about, hah hah. Kampai!"
  - lowestprimate 2y ago
    In Vino Veritas! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vino_veritas

pavel_lishin 2y ago

Many bars offer alcohol-free beers. I've been on antibiotics for a week, so I haven't been drinking, but we had some alcohol-free beers left over from a party. They're all IPA-flavored, so they taste authentically awful!

caseyohara 2y ago
Non-alcoholic beers have gotten really good in the last few years. In the US, Athletic Brewing Company is doing great stuff. I haven't tried their IPA, but their lagers and lighter beers are surprisingly good and an adequate substitute for the "ritual" of beer drinking.
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  I've tried their light beers, and didn't particularly like them. Weirdly, even though I hate IPAs, I think I liked the alcohol-free IPA stuff better. It feels more "authentic", I think - likely because I don't drink IPAs, so I can't tell that something is off without the alcohol.
- 486sx33 2y ago
  Try erdinger non-alkoholic “for sport” https://us.erdinger.de/beer/non-alcoholic.html https://us.erdinger.de/beer/non-alcoholic.html For good mouthfeel !
williamdclt 2y ago
"IPA-flavoured" is a bit dismissive. Alcohol-free beer is not flavoured water, it's beer that's had its alcohol removed. Non-alc IPA is an IPA with extra steps!
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  I meant to be dismissive in a joking way - I dislike the taste of IPAs, but they definitely taste Like Beer to me, even once the alcohol removal process has taken place. Athletic's light beers, though, taste off in a way that really doesn't work for me when I'm in the mood for the social aspect of drinking a beer, but not for most of the mental and physical ffects.

the_sleaze_ 2y ago

There's Kava or Kratom - I've not tried them myself but I have heard good things about their ability to ease social situation like alcohol without alcohol's side effects.

AnthonBerg 2y ago
Ketamine is interesting too.

SoftTalker 2y ago

Order club soda with a lime slice. It looks like a gin and tonic but you won't get drunk.