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I’ll take ‘not relying on my computer to do tasks that are inherently and inextricably human, like actually reading a text message from my mother or daughter, o

by avazhi 2y ago

I’ll take ‘not relying on my computer to do tasks that are inherently and inextricably human, like actually reading a text message from my mother or daughter, or replying to them,’ for $5, Alex. I’ll stay on Sonoma for as long as I safely can.

orionsbelt 2y ago
The Apple Intelligence features are opt in. I’d suggest upgrading to Sequoia and just keeping those off if that’s what you are concerned about.
- avazhi 2y ago
  I did upgrade to it after the first week and it was the worst MacOS upgrade I've ever done (since Leopard), so I went back to Sonoma. Firewall was broken, Wifi was broken, Contact key Verification was broken. It was the biggest pile of shit I've ever seen, even worse than Windows Vista or Windows 8 ever were for me, by comparison. And the second worst thing besides how buggy it was was how there was literally no benefit to using it - Sequoia is basically all AI nonsense, which I don't intend to use anyway. Yes it's my fault for upgrading, especially in a dot 0 release, but I was curious and had a free weekend day so I figured I'd give it the plunge. I ended up spending more time investigating just how long I can stay on Sonoma, especially once it gets end of lifed, because I have absolutely no faith in Apple's software going forward and I have 0 interest in having my OS do any kind of AI processing, whether on device or off. A few more random fuck ups I noticed: Bluetooth Codec quality can no longer be manually controlled or even seen by holding option and clicking the BT icon in the menu bar, nor can you use the Bluetooth Explorer tool to edit the codec and bitrate. Just gone. Sequoia also completely broke my Homebrew and Python3 installs, along with doing something to pip independently of the other two such that I couldn't run any programs that had pip dependencies. That was all on a fresh formatted USB install of Sequoia, too. That OS is genuinely an unbelievable pile of shit.
the_snooze 2y ago
I find the whole "summarize" use-case bizarre. The core problem with too many emails and messages isn't that I want to read all of it but it's too much. It's that most of it is stuff I fundamentally don't care about, from people who just invited themselves into my comms. I don't want a summary of random email blasts. I want my email inbox to only contain messages from people I actually want to hear from in full, and that's simple enough to do with filters, stars, and "high priority" tags.
tensor 2y ago
Also inextricably human tasks like reading spam messages, scam messages, marketing messages, overly verbose work emails, enjoy that!
- avazhi 2y ago
  Not sure I've spent more than 10 minutes combined over the past 20 years 'reading' a spam or scam email. When those things do manage to get through spam filters it's usually pretty obvious what they are. As for 'marketing messages' I can only assume you mean spam and added this to make the list look longer. Get back to me in 3-5 years and let me know how getting AI to condense your work emails is going for you - my guess is that the first time ChatGPT manages to fuck up a distillation for you, either by garbling the meaning of something important or just missing a crucial point altogether, you'll swear off it for good. If you still have a job by then... Point is, if you've been so genuinely bothered by spam and Nigerian princes that you're happy to outsource judgment and critical thinking to a probabilistic bot that hallucinates once in every 15 to 20 tries, then - aside from your skill issue getting your spam filter to work - you and I have very divergent views on what makes man's brain valuable and unique and indeed what parts of our cognition are worth preserving.
tiltowait 2y ago
You can also upgrade and just ... not enable it. In order to use the feature, not only do you have to join a waitlist, but you then have to also explicitly opt-in after getting it. Even after opting-in, you can opt out. Or, you can use some features and not others. You can disable summaries, for instance. Blanket, knee-jerk reactions like this are silly, and this is coming from someone who, after playing with it a bit, is underwhelmed.

by avazhi 2y ago

orionsbelt 2y ago

The Apple Intelligence features are opt in. I’d suggest upgrading to Sequoia and just keeping those off if that’s what you are concerned about.

avazhi 2y ago
I did upgrade to it after the first week and it was the worst MacOS upgrade I've ever done (since Leopard), so I went back to Sonoma. Firewall was broken, Wifi was broken, Contact key Verification was broken. It was the biggest pile of shit I've ever seen, even worse than Windows Vista or Windows 8 ever were for me, by comparison. And the second worst thing besides how buggy it was was how there was literally no benefit to using it - Sequoia is basically all AI nonsense, which I don't intend to use anyway. Yes it's my fault for upgrading, especially in a dot 0 release, but I was curious and had a free weekend day so I figured I'd give it the plunge. I ended up spending more time investigating just how long I can stay on Sonoma, especially once it gets end of lifed, because I have absolutely no faith in Apple's software going forward and I have 0 interest in having my OS do any kind of AI processing, whether on device or off. A few more random fuck ups I noticed: Bluetooth Codec quality can no longer be manually controlled or even seen by holding option and clicking the BT icon in the menu bar, nor can you use the Bluetooth Explorer tool to edit the codec and bitrate. Just gone. Sequoia also completely broke my Homebrew and Python3 installs, along with doing something to pip independently of the other two such that I couldn't run any programs that had pip dependencies. That was all on a fresh formatted USB install of Sequoia, too. That OS is genuinely an unbelievable pile of shit.

the_snooze 2y ago

I find the whole "summarize" use-case bizarre. The core problem with too many emails and messages isn't that I want to read all of it but it's too much. It's that most of it is stuff I fundamentally don't care about, from people who just invited themselves into my comms. I don't want a summary of random email blasts. I want my email inbox to only contain messages from people I actually want to hear from in full, and that's simple enough to do with filters, stars, and "high priority" tags.

tensor 2y ago

Also inextricably human tasks like reading spam messages, scam messages, marketing messages, overly verbose work emails, enjoy that!

avazhi 2y ago
Not sure I've spent more than 10 minutes combined over the past 20 years 'reading' a spam or scam email. When those things do manage to get through spam filters it's usually pretty obvious what they are. As for 'marketing messages' I can only assume you mean spam and added this to make the list look longer. Get back to me in 3-5 years and let me know how getting AI to condense your work emails is going for you - my guess is that the first time ChatGPT manages to fuck up a distillation for you, either by garbling the meaning of something important or just missing a crucial point altogether, you'll swear off it for good. If you still have a job by then... Point is, if you've been so genuinely bothered by spam and Nigerian princes that you're happy to outsource judgment and critical thinking to a probabilistic bot that hallucinates once in every 15 to 20 tries, then - aside from your skill issue getting your spam filter to work - you and I have very divergent views on what makes man's brain valuable and unique and indeed what parts of our cognition are worth preserving.

tiltowait 2y ago

You can also upgrade and just ... not enable it. In order to use the feature, not only do you have to join a waitlist, but you then have to also explicitly opt-in after getting it. Even after opting-in, you can opt out. Or, you can use some features and not others. You can disable summaries, for instance. Blanket, knee-jerk reactions like this are silly, and this is coming from someone who, after playing with it a bit, is underwhelmed.