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> You can build PCs there are more powerful than that Mac, cheaper. And you can easily repair them Why would anyone buy a Porsche? You can buy an F-150 with a

> You can build PCs there are more powerful than that Mac, cheaper. And you can easily repair them Why would anyone buy a Porsche? You can buy an F-150 with a >1 ton payload capacity, fit 6 people in it and if you get the EV version it might be even faster than the base config Porsche. The PC will take up a lot of space, use a lot more power, be loud and be look ugly. Some people might care about these things even if you don't.

sunshowers 2y ago
To be honest it's the Mac that feels clunky, at least compared to Linux. Why does every app have its own updater? Why are the animations so painfully slow?
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- Wytwwww 2y ago
  That's fair. People have different preferences. I personally don't even really care much for macOS these days.. > every app have its own updater Well certainly not all due. But mainly because they are not part of the OS/distribution. And it's not like there arent any proprietary apps on Linux that have to be installed/updated independently. Also you can use the App Store if you are so inclined. IMHO an awful experience but still better than the extremely laggy GUI app stores on Gnome/KDE.
  - sunshowers 2y ago
    Maybe more recent versions of macOS have made it better (last I used it was in 2020), but I remember the app store being really slow at everything. KDE Discover is a bit slow but feels like it functions better overall.
- sgt 2y ago
  Sounds like you haven't really used macOS a lot. What is this thing about every app having its own updater? Animations slow? It's like the polar opposite, and I've been using macOS since it was called Mac OS X in 2003. IMHO the biggest asset of the macOS ecosystem is the OS itself - not the HW (which of course helps). But the OS is incredibly good as a desktop Unix.
  - sunshowers 2y ago
    I used macOS full time for many years, actually. I dealt with this every day. When rebooting I saw a ton of popups, because all of my apps wanted to update themselves and each of them shipped a separate updater. I use Linux now and I'm much happier. It has weird bugs at times, but is overall both faster and much more polished.
    - sgt 2y ago
      I wonder what apps those were. I rebooted yesterday and nothing popped up. I suppose MS Office would have tried that though, but I've switched off auto-updates for it permanently, as I don't really use it.
      - sunshowers 2y ago
        It's been a while, but IIRC there were at least: * iTerm * Outlook/Office (not available on Linux so I'll exclude this one) * an app for being able to use different scroll directions across mouse and trackpad (I prefer natural scrolling on trackpad and the opposite on mouse, something that macOS strangely doesn't let you do) * an app to set a flat acceleration profile on mouse (I strongly prefer no acceleration on mouse after years playing FPS games) * an app to let me use my ultrawide monitor at full resolution and refresh rate -- this was a weird problem and I don't remember all the details, but the app did work in the end * an app to cmd-tab by window rather than by app -- again, personal preference here but I strongly believe that there's no moral difference in switching between two Firefox windows versus between a Firefox and a Safari window On Linux, the first is handled by my package manager, and the last four are built into KDE as settings. On top of all of this I was using yabai, but updates to that were handled via Homebrew so that wasn't as bad. (I generally have lots of complaints about Homebrew though -- for example, if I ask it to install a binary, I want exactly that binary to be on my PATH. I don't want to use Homebrew's version of pkgconfig, LLVM etc as well. More recently, on Linux, I've switched to Nix for this which does the right thing.)

sunshowers 2y ago

To be honest it's the Mac that feels clunky, at least compared to Linux. Why does every app have its own updater? Why are the animations so painfully slow?

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Wytwwww 2y ago
That's fair. People have different preferences. I personally don't even really care much for macOS these days.. > every app have its own updater Well certainly not all due. But mainly because they are not part of the OS/distribution. And it's not like there arent any proprietary apps on Linux that have to be installed/updated independently. Also you can use the App Store if you are so inclined. IMHO an awful experience but still better than the extremely laggy GUI app stores on Gnome/KDE.
- sunshowers 2y ago
  Maybe more recent versions of macOS have made it better (last I used it was in 2020), but I remember the app store being really slow at everything. KDE Discover is a bit slow but feels like it functions better overall.
sgt 2y ago
Sounds like you haven't really used macOS a lot. What is this thing about every app having its own updater? Animations slow? It's like the polar opposite, and I've been using macOS since it was called Mac OS X in 2003. IMHO the biggest asset of the macOS ecosystem is the OS itself - not the HW (which of course helps). But the OS is incredibly good as a desktop Unix.
- sunshowers 2y ago
  I used macOS full time for many years, actually. I dealt with this every day. When rebooting I saw a ton of popups, because all of my apps wanted to update themselves and each of them shipped a separate updater. I use Linux now and I'm much happier. It has weird bugs at times, but is overall both faster and much more polished.
  - sgt 2y ago
    I wonder what apps those were. I rebooted yesterday and nothing popped up. I suppose MS Office would have tried that though, but I've switched off auto-updates for it permanently, as I don't really use it.
    - sunshowers 2y ago
      It's been a while, but IIRC there were at least: * iTerm * Outlook/Office (not available on Linux so I'll exclude this one) * an app for being able to use different scroll directions across mouse and trackpad (I prefer natural scrolling on trackpad and the opposite on mouse, something that macOS strangely doesn't let you do) * an app to set a flat acceleration profile on mouse (I strongly prefer no acceleration on mouse after years playing FPS games) * an app to let me use my ultrawide monitor at full resolution and refresh rate -- this was a weird problem and I don't remember all the details, but the app did work in the end * an app to cmd-tab by window rather than by app -- again, personal preference here but I strongly believe that there's no moral difference in switching between two Firefox windows versus between a Firefox and a Safari window On Linux, the first is handled by my package manager, and the last four are built into KDE as settings. On top of all of this I was using yabai, but updates to that were handled via Homebrew so that wasn't as bad. (I generally have lots of complaints about Homebrew though -- for example, if I ask it to install a binary, I want exactly that binary to be on my PATH. I don't want to use Homebrew's version of pkgconfig, LLVM etc as well. More recently, on Linux, I've switched to Nix for this which does the right thing.)