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> Isn’t Apple’s RAM inside CPU package? No, but their marketing department would like you to think so. > It is silly to pretend they are just limiting memory

> Isn’t Apple’s RAM inside CPU package? No, but their marketing department would like you to think so. > It is silly to pretend they are just limiting memory capacity out of the vileness of their hearts or something. They are limiting memory capacity and charging you 8x-10x reasonable retail price for upgrades, so that their profit margins stay high. Whether or not that's vile is something I leave to you to decide.

wtallis 2y ago
> No, but their marketing department would like you to think so. Can you link to a teardown that finds RAM somewhere other than the CPU package? Or were you in too much of a hurry to notice that the comment you replied to didn't make the common mistake of claiming the RAM is on-die not just on-package?
- angoragoats 2y ago
  If you're trying to get into a semantic argument about the meaning of "CPU package," I'm not interested, thanks!
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    FWIW I wasn’t trying to start a semantic argument about the meaning of the term “CPU package,” I just thought it was a clear and specific term.
    - angoragoats 2y ago
      Thanks for clarifying, and especially for not being snarky! I think I was thrown off by your use of the term "inside," vs other terms like "on" or "part of," which led me to believe you were asking about the memory being part of the SoC proper. If that's not what you meant, I apologize. The memory consists of standard DDR4/5 memory chips, soldered on a PCB, directly next to the M-series SoC. So my point was that while it is likely faster than any memory you could get on a standard consumer PC, it's not in any way special (read: more expensive) for Apple to source or assemble. Side point: I don't think it's necessarily fair to compare most Macs to consumer PC hardware, given the price differentials involved.
  - wtallis 2y ago
    You already made a pretty specific claim on that point. You were just wrong.

wtallis 2y ago

> No, but their marketing department would like you to think so. Can you link to a teardown that finds RAM somewhere other than the CPU package? Or were you in too much of a hurry to notice that the comment you replied to didn't make the common mistake of claiming the RAM is on-die not just on-package?

angoragoats 2y ago
If you're trying to get into a semantic argument about the meaning of "CPU package," I'm not interested, thanks!
- bee_rider 2y ago
  FWIW I wasn’t trying to start a semantic argument about the meaning of the term “CPU package,” I just thought it was a clear and specific term.
  - angoragoats 2y ago
    Thanks for clarifying, and especially for not being snarky! I think I was thrown off by your use of the term "inside," vs other terms like "on" or "part of," which led me to believe you were asking about the memory being part of the SoC proper. If that's not what you meant, I apologize. The memory consists of standard DDR4/5 memory chips, soldered on a PCB, directly next to the M-series SoC. So my point was that while it is likely faster than any memory you could get on a standard consumer PC, it's not in any way special (read: more expensive) for Apple to source or assemble. Side point: I don't think it's necessarily fair to compare most Macs to consumer PC hardware, given the price differentials involved.
- wtallis 2y ago
  You already made a pretty specific claim on that point. You were just wrong.