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But at the same time, after the US promoted a state coup Except there was no "coup", but unfortunately you've been led to believe that there was one. See also

But at the same time, after the US promoted a state coup Except there was no "coup", but unfortunately you've been led to believe that there was one. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41689807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41689807, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40481317 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40481317 Russia somehow is not entitled to have their security concerns And Russia's "security concerns" had nothing to do with current conflict. That's the language of the bully, and you're eating it up. That, and the other word salad you've been dropping here ("American encroachment", "subversion via NGOs") suggests you've been reading from some highly propagandized sources.

coliveira 2y ago
> That's the language of the bully It is a mirror of the language used by the US who claims that anything happening in the other side of the world is a national security threat. So, even if it is deceiving language, it is justified by how the world currently works.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  So, even if it is deceiving language, it is justified by how the world currently works. Which is basically like saying "the world is amoral, so everything is justified". So forget "justified". The point is that it's obviously deceptive, manipulative language. And so when we hear it being used on us -- it's time to start thinking about who is doing the manipulation, and why. More to the point, the whole argument being made here is completely absurd, from the very get-go: "The US did X bad, Y bad. We don't like that. So therefore when Russia does Z bad, we should start treating it with empathy in regard to its security concerns, and all the awful things that the US did to not provoke it, thereby actually causing it to do Z".
  - coliveira 2y ago
    No, it is not justified. It is part of how the world works. They deal with the same crap coming from the USA, they will do it too. Just deal with it.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      No, it is not justified. You just said it was, in the plainest possible language.

coliveira 2y ago

> That's the language of the bully It is a mirror of the language used by the US who claims that anything happening in the other side of the world is a national security threat. So, even if it is deceiving language, it is justified by how the world currently works.

aguaviva 2y ago
So, even if it is deceiving language, it is justified by how the world currently works. Which is basically like saying "the world is amoral, so everything is justified". So forget "justified". The point is that it's obviously deceptive, manipulative language. And so when we hear it being used on us -- it's time to start thinking about who is doing the manipulation, and why. More to the point, the whole argument being made here is completely absurd, from the very get-go: "The US did X bad, Y bad. We don't like that. So therefore when Russia does Z bad, we should start treating it with empathy in regard to its security concerns, and all the awful things that the US did to not provoke it, thereby actually causing it to do Z".
- coliveira 2y ago
  No, it is not justified. It is part of how the world works. They deal with the same crap coming from the USA, they will do it too. Just deal with it.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    No, it is not justified. You just said it was, in the plainest possible language.