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EU Digital Markets Act: Litigation Against Apple

22 points by Symbiote 2y ago

NotPractical 2y ago
Is this legal case still ongoing? At first I was under the impression that this was about Apple's lackluster compliance with the DMA, but it looks like it might be about whether the DMA applies to Apple at all. [Edit] They submitted a report to the European Commission describing why they think Apple's compliance is insufficient: https://fsfe.org/news/2024/news-20240627-01.en.html https://fsfe.org/news/2024/news-20240627-01.en.html From this article, it seems they've been actively involved in the regulatory process for some time now, which is really cool. I had no idea that the concerns of free software advocates were legitimately being taken into consideration here. Looks like Apple v. EC (over whether the DMA should apply to Apple) is indeed still ongoing at the same time as the EC's non-compliance investigations. FSFE submitted arguments to the court in favor of the EC just last month.
mensetmanusman 2y ago
What’s the best EU outcome in regards to Apple?
- caseyy 2y ago
  Consumer freedoms by way of compliance with laws.
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    Freedom to install more apps? Is that the final goal?
    - caseyy 2y ago
      Freedom to use a general purpose computer with as few monopolistic restrictions as possible.
- rgovostes 2y ago
  They aren’t taking a principled stand for open platforms, they’re trying to create a landscape in which more European tech unicorns can flourish. The best outcome to them is for European companies to gain significant market share in digital payments, app distribution, social media, text messaging, etc. The M is for Markets for a reason.
- musicale 2y ago
  Apple's App Store will charge the same commissions as Google Play[1], and Amazon will create a marginally successful app store for iOS[2]? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2021/03/16/google-play-drops-commissions-to-15-from-30-following-apples-move-last-year/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/03/16/google-play-drops-commissi... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/276623/number-of-apps-available-in-leading-app-stores/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276623/number-of-apps-av...
NoZZz 2y ago
Apple can't release their strict app store policy for the simple reason that they still have a native code platform. This would open them up to hackerville population 5mil+ Is this assessment correct?

22 points by Symbiote 2y ago

Is this legal case still ongoing? At first I was under the impression that this was about Apple's lackluster compliance with the DMA, but it looks like it might be about whether the DMA applies to Apple at all. [Edit] They submitted a report to the European Commission describing why they think Apple's compliance is insufficient: https://fsfe.org/news/2024/news-20240627-01.en.html https://fsfe.org/news/2024/news-20240627-01.en.html From this article, it seems they've been actively involved in the regulatory process for some time now, which is really cool. I had no idea that the concerns of free software advocates were legitimately being taken into consideration here. Looks like Apple v. EC (over whether the DMA should apply to Apple) is indeed still ongoing at the same time as the EC's non-compliance investigations. FSFE submitted arguments to the court in favor of the EC just last month.

mensetmanusman 2y ago

What’s the best EU outcome in regards to Apple?

caseyy 2y ago
Consumer freedoms by way of compliance with laws.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  Freedom to install more apps? Is that the final goal?
  - caseyy 2y ago
    Freedom to use a general purpose computer with as few monopolistic restrictions as possible.
rgovostes 2y ago
They aren’t taking a principled stand for open platforms, they’re trying to create a landscape in which more European tech unicorns can flourish. The best outcome to them is for European companies to gain significant market share in digital payments, app distribution, social media, text messaging, etc. The M is for Markets for a reason.
musicale 2y ago
Apple's App Store will charge the same commissions as Google Play[1], and Amazon will create a marginally successful app store for iOS[2]? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2021/03/16/google-play-drops-commissions-to-15-from-30-following-apples-move-last-year/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/03/16/google-play-drops-commissi... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/276623/number-of-apps-available-in-leading-app-stores/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276623/number-of-apps-av...

NoZZz 2y ago

Apple can't release their strict app store policy for the simple reason that they still have a native code platform. This would open them up to hackerville population 5mil+ Is this assessment correct?