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Nah, see it’s just like the 30% cut of revenue Apple demands for the privilege of being in their App Store under the guise of it being for the greater good. I

Nah, see it’s just like the 30% cut of revenue Apple demands for the privilege of being in their App Store under the guise of it being for the greater good. Indonesia just needs to take a page out of their playbook and make a statement along the lines of: “Indonesia is committed to fostering a secure and equitable marketplace that upholds the highest standards for consumer protection and quality. By partnering with Apple through a certification program, we support the integrity of Apple’s products and ensure they align with our local regulatory standards, creating a trusted environment for our citizens. In exchange for this certification, their investment enables us to maintain rigorous oversight, build public safety infrastructure, and continue fostering an innovative ecosystem where global tech leaders like Apple can deliver safe, high-quality products to our market.”

xvector 2y ago
You can be arrested for even owning the iPhone 16, and are encouraged to report people owning it - this is some real authoritarian loser energy. No one is gonna want to invest in Indonesia if they keep doing shit like this. Indonesia will relax real fast if the US imposes some harsh tariffs (which it should.) We let other countries rent seek from our companies way too much.
- fhdsgbbcaA 2y ago
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  - xvector 2y ago
    Do you really think the US is incapable of asserting economic or policy pressure over some random third world country? These countries' economic health is practically completely at our whims. Look at Cuba.
    - andrewinardeer 2y ago
      This 'random third world country' is the largest Muslim country in the world and has a population of 278 million people.
      - xvector 2y ago
        With barely any economic or social power and bringing virtually nothing to the table. It would be trivial to assert dominance over them.
    - piva00 2y ago
      Indonesia sits very pretty between USA's interests against China, look at the Malacca Strait and check USA's plans for containment of China in case of a war. > Do you really think the US is incapable of asserting economic or policy pressure over some random third world country? These countries' economic health is practically completely at our whims. Look at Cuba. It's quite aggravating you have to resort to a neoimperialist rhetoric, hope you don't feel too bad when other nations start hating your country. The USA probably needs Indonesia much more than Indonesia needs the US, if you start pushing countries around don't act surprise when they switch allegiance.
      - xvector 2y ago
        Sorry, I really don't care about being "neoimperialist." I'm sure that's a bad word to you but I'm all about protecting US interests abroad and asserting global dominance and power. You'll find that at least half the country agrees with me. Indonesia wields zero power over the US, it's patently absurd that you think the US depends on them. The US could, however, easily economically cripple Indonesia.
- dqv 2y ago
  > You can be arrested for even owning the iPhone 16, and are encouraged to report people owning it - this is some real authoritarian loser energy. Dramatic comments require dramatic sources. This is WILD conjecture and I'm almost certain you're relying on a bizarre interpretation of the Ministry's statement on these devices not being certified. They are prohibiting the use, import, and sale of the product because it is not yet certified. This is exactly the same way it works in the US. If you import a product that is not FCC certified, it is illegal. You will be asked to stop using it, but to say you're subject to arrest is SpongeBob levels of hyperventilation. An arrest is reserved for things like communication jamming of airports, not for someone using an uncertified device. I also love the contradiction here - Apple fans will say it's OK for Apple to prevent "illegal devices" from its iMessage network, but now here it's not OK for Indonesia's Ministry of Industry to prevent actual statutorily illegal IMEIs from wireless networks. https://www-cnnindonesia-com.translate.goog/teknologi/20241023182450-206-1158901/belum-dapat-izin-menperin-sebut-iphone-16-masih-ilegal-di-indonesia?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-cnnindonesia-com.translate.goog/teknologi/202410...
- consteval 2y ago
  > We let other countries rent seek from our companies way too much This is one of the most hilarious, out of touch statements I've ever heard. Our companies are the rent-seekers. When Chevron goes to South America and harvests oil, giving them only 10% of the revenue (despite it being their oil!) and then leaves hundreds of billions of US dollars in environmental damage, what do you call that? That's 1 example. Our companies constantly go to poorer, more corrupt countires with the sole intention of exploitation. Whether that be borderline slave labor or stealing resources. Because those places are so poor, we often give them pennies on the dollar and call it a day. I mean, why the fuck not sell HIV infected medicine to Africa? (yes, real, and yes, knowingly). And the best part? When those companies inevitably cause crimes against humanity, there's no recourse. The companies scatter like cockroaches in the light. Good luck suing them in US court. We'd sooner suck our own dicks than admit poisoning the Amazon is kind of bad.
- r00fus 2y ago
  I wonder if this is on the heels of their move to BRICS? https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20241025_23/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20241025_23/ Who needs western foreign investment when they can get it from China/India/etc.

xvector 2y ago

You can be arrested for even owning the iPhone 16, and are encouraged to report people owning it - this is some real authoritarian loser energy. No one is gonna want to invest in Indonesia if they keep doing shit like this. Indonesia will relax real fast if the US imposes some harsh tariffs (which it should.) We let other countries rent seek from our companies way too much.

fhdsgbbcaA 2y ago
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- xvector 2y ago
  Do you really think the US is incapable of asserting economic or policy pressure over some random third world country? These countries' economic health is practically completely at our whims. Look at Cuba.
  - andrewinardeer 2y ago
    This 'random third world country' is the largest Muslim country in the world and has a population of 278 million people.
    - xvector 2y ago
      With barely any economic or social power and bringing virtually nothing to the table. It would be trivial to assert dominance over them.
  - piva00 2y ago
    Indonesia sits very pretty between USA's interests against China, look at the Malacca Strait and check USA's plans for containment of China in case of a war. > Do you really think the US is incapable of asserting economic or policy pressure over some random third world country? These countries' economic health is practically completely at our whims. Look at Cuba. It's quite aggravating you have to resort to a neoimperialist rhetoric, hope you don't feel too bad when other nations start hating your country. The USA probably needs Indonesia much more than Indonesia needs the US, if you start pushing countries around don't act surprise when they switch allegiance.
    - xvector 2y ago
      Sorry, I really don't care about being "neoimperialist." I'm sure that's a bad word to you but I'm all about protecting US interests abroad and asserting global dominance and power. You'll find that at least half the country agrees with me. Indonesia wields zero power over the US, it's patently absurd that you think the US depends on them. The US could, however, easily economically cripple Indonesia.
dqv 2y ago
> You can be arrested for even owning the iPhone 16, and are encouraged to report people owning it - this is some real authoritarian loser energy. Dramatic comments require dramatic sources. This is WILD conjecture and I'm almost certain you're relying on a bizarre interpretation of the Ministry's statement on these devices not being certified. They are prohibiting the use, import, and sale of the product because it is not yet certified. This is exactly the same way it works in the US. If you import a product that is not FCC certified, it is illegal. You will be asked to stop using it, but to say you're subject to arrest is SpongeBob levels of hyperventilation. An arrest is reserved for things like communication jamming of airports, not for someone using an uncertified device. I also love the contradiction here - Apple fans will say it's OK for Apple to prevent "illegal devices" from its iMessage network, but now here it's not OK for Indonesia's Ministry of Industry to prevent actual statutorily illegal IMEIs from wireless networks. https://www-cnnindonesia-com.translate.goog/teknologi/20241023182450-206-1158901/belum-dapat-izin-menperin-sebut-iphone-16-masih-ilegal-di-indonesia?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-cnnindonesia-com.translate.goog/teknologi/202410...
consteval 2y ago
> We let other countries rent seek from our companies way too much This is one of the most hilarious, out of touch statements I've ever heard. Our companies are the rent-seekers. When Chevron goes to South America and harvests oil, giving them only 10% of the revenue (despite it being their oil!) and then leaves hundreds of billions of US dollars in environmental damage, what do you call that? That's 1 example. Our companies constantly go to poorer, more corrupt countires with the sole intention of exploitation. Whether that be borderline slave labor or stealing resources. Because those places are so poor, we often give them pennies on the dollar and call it a day. I mean, why the fuck not sell HIV infected medicine to Africa? (yes, real, and yes, knowingly). And the best part? When those companies inevitably cause crimes against humanity, there's no recourse. The companies scatter like cockroaches in the light. Good luck suing them in US court. We'd sooner suck our own dicks than admit poisoning the Amazon is kind of bad.
r00fus 2y ago
I wonder if this is on the heels of their move to BRICS? https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20241025_23/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20241025_23/ Who needs western foreign investment when they can get it from China/India/etc.