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> What is the leading example of the US banning consumers from owning a product unless you invest? DJI, Chinese electric cars/phones, mass-produced solar and b

> What is the leading example of the US banning consumers from owning a product unless you invest? DJI, Chinese electric cars/phones, mass-produced solar and battery tech and firearms manufactured abroad to name a few. All of which are being considered for bans under the pretense that they're not domestic enough to trust and import. Indonesia is right to take a strong approach here; Apple is a documented tax dodger in the EU and would have likely ignored lesser action.

threatofrain 2y ago
> DJI, Chinese electric cars/phones, mass-produced solar and battery tech and firearms manufactured abroad to name a few. All of which are being considered for bans under the pretense that they're not domestic enough to trust and import. Consumers can own all these things without fear of being reported. I work with an official DJI reseller and I automate DJI gear for government. What is the leading example of the US banning consumers from owning a product unless you invest?
- deleted 2y ago
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- earnesti 2y ago
  US is crazy rich and powerful Country that has plenty of tools to pressure companies to do what they want. Indonesia is a poor ass country that has to resort to cheap tricks like this one.
- elzbardico 2y ago
  Cuban Cigars.
  - threatofrain 2y ago
    It's legal for citizens to own and use Cuban cigars, and Cuba is not going to invest its way into getting cigars into the US.
lesuorac 2y ago
That's not an example of the US banning a company for not investing into the US. USG is banning (only passed House) [1] DJI because Chinese law requires DJI to hand over data and USG is not a fan. This may be a bit like calling the kettle black because of various US laws but again it's not an example of the US banning a company for not investing. [1]: https://www.commercialuavnews.com/us-house-approves-dji-drone-ban-bill https://www.commercialuavnews.com/us-house-approves-dji-dron...
- no_wizard 2y ago
  I don’t understand why the US doesn’t have a data sovereignty law as a requisite for doing business here. If you sell to Americans the data needs to be specifically live only in US data centers and no where else, and access must be based on US soil. A few Europeans countries have this, or something like it, if I recall correctly
  - elzbardico 2y ago
    Because this idea obviously is not on the interest of american business. We don't live in 1950 anymore where the US alone was half world's GDP.
  - coliveira 2y ago
    This is not in the interests of certain countries, Israel being the main one.
mschuster91 2y ago
> DJI, Chinese electric cars/phones, mass-produced solar and battery tech and firearms manufactured abroad to name a few. In the US, if such a thing already is in the country, you can continue to use it as a private citizen or as a company (unless it involves anything government owned). And at least for now, you can buy any DJI drone you want in the US, there's more than enough firearms imports from places such as Germany or Austria [1], no one gives a fuck where your solar panels and batteries come from (other than import duties). Cars just as well, once the car is in the US you can drive utter junk on the streets as long as it is somewhat road legal in the state it is registered in. This ban in Indonesia however affects everyone, no matter how or when they acquired their iPhones: > Agus Gumiwang Kartasasmita, the country’s Industry Minister, declared that any iPhone 16 found in the hands of consumers will be deemed illegal. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/german-weapons-firms-find-lucrative-market-in-united-states/a-40804568 https://www.dw.com/en/german-weapons-firms-find-lucrative-ma...

threatofrain 2y ago

> DJI, Chinese electric cars/phones, mass-produced solar and battery tech and firearms manufactured abroad to name a few. All of which are being considered for bans under the pretense that they're not domestic enough to trust and import. Consumers can own all these things without fear of being reported. I work with an official DJI reseller and I automate DJI gear for government. What is the leading example of the US banning consumers from owning a product unless you invest?

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earnesti 2y ago
US is crazy rich and powerful Country that has plenty of tools to pressure companies to do what they want. Indonesia is a poor ass country that has to resort to cheap tricks like this one.
elzbardico 2y ago
Cuban Cigars.
- threatofrain 2y ago
  It's legal for citizens to own and use Cuban cigars, and Cuba is not going to invest its way into getting cigars into the US.

lesuorac 2y ago

That's not an example of the US banning a company for not investing into the US. USG is banning (only passed House) [1] DJI because Chinese law requires DJI to hand over data and USG is not a fan. This may be a bit like calling the kettle black because of various US laws but again it's not an example of the US banning a company for not investing. [1]: https://www.commercialuavnews.com/us-house-approves-dji-drone-ban-bill https://www.commercialuavnews.com/us-house-approves-dji-dron...

no_wizard 2y ago
I don’t understand why the US doesn’t have a data sovereignty law as a requisite for doing business here. If you sell to Americans the data needs to be specifically live only in US data centers and no where else, and access must be based on US soil. A few Europeans countries have this, or something like it, if I recall correctly
- elzbardico 2y ago
  Because this idea obviously is not on the interest of american business. We don't live in 1950 anymore where the US alone was half world's GDP.
- coliveira 2y ago
  This is not in the interests of certain countries, Israel being the main one.

mschuster91 2y ago

> DJI, Chinese electric cars/phones, mass-produced solar and battery tech and firearms manufactured abroad to name a few. In the US, if such a thing already is in the country, you can continue to use it as a private citizen or as a company (unless it involves anything government owned). And at least for now, you can buy any DJI drone you want in the US, there's more than enough firearms imports from places such as Germany or Austria [1], no one gives a fuck where your solar panels and batteries come from (other than import duties). Cars just as well, once the car is in the US you can drive utter junk on the streets as long as it is somewhat road legal in the state it is registered in. This ban in Indonesia however affects everyone, no matter how or when they acquired their iPhones: > Agus Gumiwang Kartasasmita, the country’s Industry Minister, declared that any iPhone 16 found in the hands of consumers will be deemed illegal. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/german-weapons-firms-find-lucrative-market-in-united-states/a-40804568 https://www.dw.com/en/german-weapons-firms-find-lucrative-ma...