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I like it how is done in https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UrExample https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UrExample Often, an Ur-Example doubles as the Trope Maker — but not always, and far less often with ancient tropes, which often evolved over a long period of time rather than suddenly bursting forth from someone's head, fully formed. When they're distinct, a Trope Maker differs from an Ur-Example in that the latter is realized to have met the definition of the trope only after later storytellers started doing it on purpose. The started doing it on purpose means that something arise first but could take some time to get into the `shape` we recognize as such.