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Would love to see some network like Freenet start to see more adoption - it seems obvious that we need something like this. GNUnet seems to have some interestin

Would love to see some network like Freenet start to see more adoption - it seems obvious that we need something like this. GNUnet seems to have some interesting ideas and good motivations too. I will admit that I didn't follow the renaming or possibly forking or whatever happened to freenet / hyphanet / etc back last when I was reading about this. If someone could explain it clearly that would be stellar.

garydevenay 2y ago
Nostr (https://nostr.com/ https://nostr.com/) is doing reasonably- though I think most apps are still in the social media realm.
- squarefoot 2y ago
  Not judging technically, but there are reasons I wouldn't touch it with a 10 meters pole. https://archive.ph/TLwch https://archive.ph/TLwch
  - nixdev 2y ago
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- CertumIter 2y ago
  Hyphanet is great but requires some basic skills and hardware for running. Using Nostr with Primal as a client works exceptionally well as a Twitter alternative. It's privacy-respecting, censorship-resistant, and truly an outstanding tool. I'm grateful it exists to counter the current wave of regulatory overreach threatening free speech, even in Western countries.
EGreg 2y ago
I wonder how much Freenet would be considered “web3” and “blockchain” by the HN crowd, considering it explicitly uses smart contracts and transactions signed by self-custodied private keys Guess it’s all in how you present things and what terms you avoid :) For what it’s worth, I am interested very much in decentralized systems and smart contracts, having built them and also running a YouTube channel where I interviewed people behind the projects… including Ian Clarke and freenet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrRqUkJpMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrRqUkJpMQ
- tg180 2y ago
  Personally, I don’t consider Freenet and Hyphanet to be "blockchain" in the modern sense, and given how much the meaning of "web3" has changed in recent years, I think it might evolve further. Freenet stands apart with goals and ideals that are quite different from today’s distributed applications, with a stronger focus on privacy and access to information. Neither Freenet nor Hyphanet are linked to cryptocurrencies or financial speculation. I see them as decentralized networks created to ensure freedom of expression, privacy, and access to information in an anonymous and censorship-resistant way, without any intrinsic connection to cryptocurrencies or financial systems. And that's great! I also believe the project has gained a certain credibility over time, thanks to the consistent work and vision of its developers. I’ll check out your interview with Ian Clarke!
  - sanity 2y ago
    Freenet and Hyphanet aren't blockchain, although the original Freenet did pioneer the cryptographic contract back in 2000 (we called them "signed subspace keys"), which a few years later would form the basis for Bitcoin. Freenet is designed to be a general-purpose platform for building and distributing decentralized systems like group chat[1], social networks, search, really anything that people use the Internet for today. Some people think of blockchain this way but blockchain is much more specialized (eg. group chat on blockchain wouldn't scale). [1] https://github.com/freenet/river https://github.com/freenet/river
sanity 2y ago
> I will admit that I didn't follow the renaming or possibly forking or whatever happened to freenet / hyphanet / etc back last when I was reading about this. If someone could explain it clearly that would be stellar. The reasons for the renaming are addressed directly in Freenet's FAQ[1]: # Why was Freenet rearchitected and rebranded? In 2019, Ian began developing a successor to the original Freenet, internally named “Locutus.” This redesign was a ground-up reimagining, incorporating lessons learned from the original Freenet and addressing modern challenges. The original Freenet, although groundbreaking, was built for an earlier era. This isn’t the first time Freenet has undergone significant changes. Around 2005, we transitioned from version 0.5 to 0.7, which was a complete rewrite introducing “friend-to-friend” networking. In March 2023, the original Freenet (developed from 2005 onwards) was spun off into an independent project called “Hyphanet” under its existing maintainers. Concurrently, “Locutus” was rebranded as “Freenet,” also known as “Freenet 2023,” to signal this new direction and focus. The rearchitected Freenet is faster, more flexible, and better equipped to offer a robust, decentralized alternative to the increasingly centralized web. To ease the transition the old freenetproject.org domain was redirected to hyphanet’s website, while the recently acquired freenet.org domain was used for the new architecture. It is important to note that the maintainers of the original Freenet did not agree with the decision to rearchitect and rebrand. However, as the architect of the Freenet Project, and after over a year of debate, Ian felt this was the necessary path forward to ensure the project’s continued relevance and success in a world far different than when he designed the previous architecture. [1] https://freenet.org/faq/#why-was-freenet-rearchitected-and-rebranded https://freenet.org/faq/#why-was-freenet-rearchitected-and-r...
- sourcepluck 2y ago
  Thank you very much, I've been browsing a bit since your thorough reply, looking forward to having more of an investigation one of these days when I get a few hours free in a row to have a good go.

garydevenay 2y ago

Nostr (https://nostr.com/ https://nostr.com/) is doing reasonably- though I think most apps are still in the social media realm.

squarefoot 2y ago
Not judging technically, but there are reasons I wouldn't touch it with a 10 meters pole. https://archive.ph/TLwch https://archive.ph/TLwch
- nixdev 2y ago
  [flagged]
CertumIter 2y ago
Hyphanet is great but requires some basic skills and hardware for running. Using Nostr with Primal as a client works exceptionally well as a Twitter alternative. It's privacy-respecting, censorship-resistant, and truly an outstanding tool. I'm grateful it exists to counter the current wave of regulatory overreach threatening free speech, even in Western countries.

EGreg 2y ago

I wonder how much Freenet would be considered “web3” and “blockchain” by the HN crowd, considering it explicitly uses smart contracts and transactions signed by self-custodied private keys Guess it’s all in how you present things and what terms you avoid :) For what it’s worth, I am interested very much in decentralized systems and smart contracts, having built them and also running a YouTube channel where I interviewed people behind the projects… including Ian Clarke and freenet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrRqUkJpMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrRqUkJpMQ

tg180 2y ago
Personally, I don’t consider Freenet and Hyphanet to be "blockchain" in the modern sense, and given how much the meaning of "web3" has changed in recent years, I think it might evolve further. Freenet stands apart with goals and ideals that are quite different from today’s distributed applications, with a stronger focus on privacy and access to information. Neither Freenet nor Hyphanet are linked to cryptocurrencies or financial speculation. I see them as decentralized networks created to ensure freedom of expression, privacy, and access to information in an anonymous and censorship-resistant way, without any intrinsic connection to cryptocurrencies or financial systems. And that's great! I also believe the project has gained a certain credibility over time, thanks to the consistent work and vision of its developers. I’ll check out your interview with Ian Clarke!
- sanity 2y ago
  Freenet and Hyphanet aren't blockchain, although the original Freenet did pioneer the cryptographic contract back in 2000 (we called them "signed subspace keys"), which a few years later would form the basis for Bitcoin. Freenet is designed to be a general-purpose platform for building and distributing decentralized systems like group chat[1], social networks, search, really anything that people use the Internet for today. Some people think of blockchain this way but blockchain is much more specialized (eg. group chat on blockchain wouldn't scale). [1] https://github.com/freenet/river https://github.com/freenet/river

sanity 2y ago

> I will admit that I didn't follow the renaming or possibly forking or whatever happened to freenet / hyphanet / etc back last when I was reading about this. If someone could explain it clearly that would be stellar. The reasons for the renaming are addressed directly in Freenet's FAQ[1]: # Why was Freenet rearchitected and rebranded? In 2019, Ian began developing a successor to the original Freenet, internally named “Locutus.” This redesign was a ground-up reimagining, incorporating lessons learned from the original Freenet and addressing modern challenges. The original Freenet, although groundbreaking, was built for an earlier era. This isn’t the first time Freenet has undergone significant changes. Around 2005, we transitioned from version 0.5 to 0.7, which was a complete rewrite introducing “friend-to-friend” networking. In March 2023, the original Freenet (developed from 2005 onwards) was spun off into an independent project called “Hyphanet” under its existing maintainers. Concurrently, “Locutus” was rebranded as “Freenet,” also known as “Freenet 2023,” to signal this new direction and focus. The rearchitected Freenet is faster, more flexible, and better equipped to offer a robust, decentralized alternative to the increasingly centralized web. To ease the transition the old freenetproject.org domain was redirected to hyphanet’s website, while the recently acquired freenet.org domain was used for the new architecture. It is important to note that the maintainers of the original Freenet did not agree with the decision to rearchitect and rebrand. However, as the architect of the Freenet Project, and after over a year of debate, Ian felt this was the necessary path forward to ensure the project’s continued relevance and success in a world far different than when he designed the previous architecture. [1] https://freenet.org/faq/#why-was-freenet-rearchitected-and-rebranded https://freenet.org/faq/#why-was-freenet-rearchitected-and-r...

sourcepluck 2y ago
Thank you very much, I've been browsing a bit since your thorough reply, looking forward to having more of an investigation one of these days when I get a few hours free in a row to have a good go.