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I get the concerns towards Wikipedia governance, but this feels almost like slacktivism. It’s been done numerous times, to slap ActivityPub onto a communication

by exitb 2y ago

I get the concerns towards Wikipedia governance, but this feels almost like slacktivism. It’s been done numerous times, to slap ActivityPub onto a communication mode and call it a „federated foobar alternative”. It never works, it always fails to gain meaningful adoption. The federated hosts end up in disputes between themselves and their users. It’s mostly a miserable experience. There needs to be another way to increase accountability for critical online services.

bbor 2y ago
Hmm when has it happened in the past? This is literally the Lemmy creator so it seems somewhat unique! But I could definitely just be behind the times. Are there other federation projects other than mastodon and Lemmy?
- Vivtek 2y ago
  There are one or two. https://github.com/shleeable/Big-List-of-ActivityPub https://github.com/shleeable/Big-List-of-ActivityPub
  - rapnie 2y ago
    Also https://delightful.club/delightful-fediverse-apps/ https://delightful.club/delightful-fediverse-apps/
input_sh 2y ago
If by "never works" you mean "someone's side project whose monetization strategy is to put up a donation link never takes down an established business worth hundreds of millions in a fraction of the time it took for such business to establish itself as some sort of a monopoly", then yeah, no shit.
AlienRobot 2y ago
Federation is the open source answer to microservices. Every time I see a new decentralized website project I feel it would be 10 times better if it was just centralized and open source like mediawiki or phpbb.
zaik 2y ago
> It never works Mastodon and Lemmy are both very successful projects.
- silisili 2y ago
  For what definition of 'very successful' are we using here? Mastodon has <900k MAU, Lemmy <45k. It's not nothing, but compared to what they're competing with(Twitter at > 330 million), they aren't even a blip on the radar. If we're defining success as not having died out and generally working, I guess I could agree.
  - zaik 2y ago
    Are you enjoying your time on HN? It's about quality not quantity. Defining success := MAU is a very one dimensional way of thinking and it's not even the most important dimension from a user perspective.
    - poincaredisk 2y ago
      HN is not a mass product and has no ambitions to become a social media for the masses. Mastodon is and does.

by exitb 2y ago

bbor 2y ago

Hmm when has it happened in the past? This is literally the Lemmy creator so it seems somewhat unique! But I could definitely just be behind the times. Are there other federation projects other than mastodon and Lemmy?

Vivtek 2y ago
There are one or two. https://github.com/shleeable/Big-List-of-ActivityPub https://github.com/shleeable/Big-List-of-ActivityPub
- rapnie 2y ago
  Also https://delightful.club/delightful-fediverse-apps/ https://delightful.club/delightful-fediverse-apps/

input_sh 2y ago

If by "never works" you mean "someone's side project whose monetization strategy is to put up a donation link never takes down an established business worth hundreds of millions in a fraction of the time it took for such business to establish itself as some sort of a monopoly", then yeah, no shit.

AlienRobot 2y ago

Federation is the open source answer to microservices. Every time I see a new decentralized website project I feel it would be 10 times better if it was just centralized and open source like mediawiki or phpbb.

zaik 2y ago

> It never works Mastodon and Lemmy are both very successful projects.

silisili 2y ago
For what definition of 'very successful' are we using here? Mastodon has <900k MAU, Lemmy <45k. It's not nothing, but compared to what they're competing with(Twitter at > 330 million), they aren't even a blip on the radar. If we're defining success as not having died out and generally working, I guess I could agree.
- zaik 2y ago
  Are you enjoying your time on HN? It's about quality not quantity. Defining success := MAU is a very one dimensional way of thinking and it's not even the most important dimension from a user perspective.
  - poincaredisk 2y ago
    HN is not a mass product and has no ambitions to become a social media for the masses. Mastodon is and does.